Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting: fingerprinted, searched, equipment siezed

[Kirk Freeman]

but why is anybody paying attention to these guys?

1. Because the corporations are being all corporationishnee.

2. They have the True Plan, they are Pure enough to follow the Path to Secession as detailed in the Tenth Amendment and thus .gov knows that they must be stopped.

3. Vote Ron Paul.

 

[sopwith21]

1. So, we have a group of fraudsters sending out fake court orders from their secret, hidden courts.

The Republic of Texas held their meetings in the open at a public meeting house. There was nothing "secret" or "hidden" about it.

BTW, are you condemning secret, hidden courts? Are you sure? Be smart. Back away from this one very slowly.

The legit government of the State of Texas investigates the fraudsters.

"Fraud" indicates that the organization under investigation is fake, unreal and inauthentic. But of course, if the group was fake, not real and inauthentic there would be nothing to investigate.

Make up your mind. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

The Republic of Texas held their meetings in the open at a public meeting house.

Where the lunatics held their meetings is not at issue. What is at issue is the amount of evidence to connect them to a crime.

BTW, are you condemning secret, hidden courts? Are you sure? Be smart. Back away from this one very slowly.

I am condemning lunatics with their b.s. sov. cit. mumbo jumbo that I have to listen to. Morons with contentions of how the fringe on the flag prevents the state from prosecuting them from their crimes.

"Fraud" indicates that the organization under investigation is fake, unreal and inauthentic. But of course, if the group was fake, not real and inauthentic there would be nothing to investigate.

What?

Fraud indicates a crime, a felony.

The organization is fake. A fake organization can still run a scam. We'll see what the evidence brings.

 

[AA&E]

Yes, but a slut that insists on getting paid.

That would make you a whore....

 

[Kirk Freeman]

That would make you a whore....

Well, I was sticking with the SNL theme.

 

[TaunTaun]

Paid with a foreign government's legal tender. It is invalid here!

And how dare you mock the flag fringe of the admiralty!

 

[Tactically Fat]

Yes, but a slut that insists on getting paid.

You know what they call those?

EDIT: Crap. I was beaten to the punch by an hour. Mea Culpa and stuff.

 

[rambone]

The group has been around since the early 2000s and is dedicated to "legally and peaceably" achieving its political goals. Here's a documentary from 2013 on them.

[video=youtube;GbvQBKOYDbg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbvQBKOYDbg[/video]


“As if dangerous criminals, many of the Texian people — generally seniors of respected middle-class business, farming, broadcasting, engineering, scientific, health, veterans, and faith-based backgrounds — were one-by-one physically searched on their person and in their vehicles, fingerprinted, detained and then had their personal belongings and property searched and seized,” the Republic of Texas described on its website.

The website noted some of the belongings that were seized by police: “cell phones, iPads, laptops, business papers, Republic of Texas paperwork, coinage and other valuables.”

 

[rambone]

The entire situation was over some disputed paperwork.

Sixty people searched, vehicles searched, fingerprints, valuables and personal effects seized. The warrant even allowed DNA collection. WTF?!

Is there anyone here honest enough to admit that these tactics were thuggish and way beyond what was necessary to address the "simulated court documents"? This was staged to intimidate more than investigate.

 

[hornadylnl]

The entire situation was over some disputed paperwork.

Sixty people searched, vehicles searched, fingerprints, valuables and personal effects seized. The warrant even allowed DNA collection. WTF?!

Is there anyone here honest enough to admit that these tactics were thuggish and way beyond what was necessary to address the "simulated court documents"? This was staged to intimidate more than investigate.

Is the border fence there to keep them in or out?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I am condemning lunatics with their b.s. sov. cit. mumbo jumbo that I have to listen to. Morons with contentions of how the fringe on the flag prevents the state from prosecuting them from their crimes.

Kirk, try to keep up. Elected authority figures = tyranny. Self appointed authority figures = freedom. It's like "militia organizations." Armed professionals who answer to civilians elected by the population = dangerous jackbooted tyranny. Armed amateurs who are answerable only to themselves if not for the first group = freedom.

 

[Liberty Sanders]

Seems a bit over the top because an organization sent out bogus subpoenas that they have no authority to enforce. That strikes me as political expression, not fraud. Seems like the best response to those would be to ignore them.

I have to agree this sounds a lot more like intimidation than legitimate law enforcement.

 

[rambone]

Kirk, try to keep up. Elected authority figures = tyranny. Self appointed authority figures = freedom. It's like "militia organizations." Armed professionals who answer to civilians elected by the population = dangerous jackbooted tyranny. Armed amateurs who are answerable only to themselves if not for the first group = freedom.

From what I have read, two individuals put their names on the allegedly "simulated" documents. (They were named in the article: Susan Cammak and David Kroupa).

Instead of focusing on these two, the police extended their harassment to the entire organization, even people just sitting in the audience observing. Nice, huh?

If someone in an organization (such as a police department) has a paperwork problem, do you think every member should have their cars searched and have their biometric data recorded? Can you admit that it was unreasonable?

 

[rambone]

By the way... 20 officers, 60 searches, 0 arrests.

No one here is a criminal yet.

 

[TaunTaun]

Doesn't code pink try the same shtick?

I dont see them being raided...

 

[Kirk Freeman]

The entire situation was over some disputed paperwork.

Well played. "Nothing more than paperwork, your honor. This has nothing to do with Fraud or Obstruction of Justice. Mere paperwork."

Sixty people searched, vehicles searched, fingerprints, valuables and personal effects seized.

You can search people with search warrants now? I thought the Fourth Amendment banned search warrants? Maybe just an Executive Action by President Paul?

The warrant even allowed DNA collection. WTF?!

The Sovies sign their papers with blood. Don't you think that's fairly decent evidence? Maybe the police should investigate that lead? Maybe take some DNA tests of the group to see who sent it, or at least ask for it?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Armed professionals who answer to civilians elected by the population = dangerous jackbooted tyranny. Armed amateurs who are answerable only to themselves if not for the first group = freedom.

What is this fresh nonsense?

Next you will be telling me that street gangs like the BGD, P-stones, or 100 other gangs were formed to "protect" their neighborhoods only to become tormentors.

 

[sopwith21]

Interesting that no arrests were made at the public Rep of TX meeting. Also interesting that yes, the whole thing was indeed over paperwork. Basically, a judge got angry because one of the common rabble dared to send him a summons, so he calls a militia raid against them.

Also interesting that the cops stole the cell phones, computers and fingerprints of everyone at the public meeting. Very odd behavior when no arrests are made and no charges filed. The only pragmatic reasoning behind such a move is to identify and track dissenters who dare question their Lord and Savior, the Almighty Government. It serves no other purpose when no charges are filed.

And finally, trotting out "obstruction of justice" and "fraud" is a rather desperate and comical theater act. In order to obstruct justice, there must first be some. The Rep of TX merely called two people to testify, which in no way obstructs the InJustice Department's ability to destroy anyone's life or throw them in a cage. The judge and banker were still free to perform their traditional crimes without interference.

The "fraud" allegation is even more stupid. The Rep of TX did not issue a fraudulent summons. It was a real summons to a real meeting with actual persons in attendance. Private assemblies acting as courts occur thousands of times daily throughout the Land of the Formerly Free. It is known as mediation or arbitration, and they are used to replace civil courts to settle matters of litigation.

The only time a militia raid is used to attack them is when someone dares to question one of our Gods in Black Robes.

 

[sopwith21]

From what I have read, two individuals put their names on the allegedly "simulated" documents.

Again, the summons' were NOT "simulated." They were actual summons to an actual meeting of an authentic organization.

There are thousands of private courts across the country. The only time they are assaulted in a militia raid is when an arrogant government worker gets in a hissy fit.

 

[HoughMade]

There seems to be a basic misunderstanding that search warrants are used to....ya know...investigate, so that they can determine if an arrest needs to be made and if so, who. I guess it would have been preferable to arrest everyone rather than just execute the search warrant?

....I know. It doesn't matter what happens, the government is always wrong and bands of crackpots are always our heroes.