Government Mandated Private Surveillance…

[Ingomike]

I hope this is knocked down as unconstitutional.

“The city will soon make all banks, restaurants, hotels, and retail outlets within its jurisdiction install and maintain surveillance systems at the businesses’ own expense.”

Cities are forcing businesses to spy on themselves (and pay for it) - Washington Examiner

Government efforts to compel citizens to conduct surveillance on their own land at their own expense are unconstitutional.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[KellyinAvon]

I hope this is knocked down as unconstitutional.

“The city will soon make all banks, restaurants, hotels, and retail outlets within its jurisdiction install and maintain surveillance systems at the businesses’ own expense.”

Cities are forcing businesses to spy on themselves (and pay for it) - Washington Examiner

Government efforts to compel citizens to conduct surveillance on their own land at their own expense are unconstitutional.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Time to push back and push back hard.

 

[Creedmoor]

I was somewhere in Marion the other day and there was a tag reader next to one of the entrances to a private parking lot. I was like hummmmm, never seen one on private property before.

 

[Shadow01]

If the businesses are unfortunate enough to have an ongoing issue with constant power sabotage, the cameras are worthless. It would be a shame for businesses to go under because they can’t seem to maintain a constant power flow to keep the doors open.

 

[Denny347]

I could see a City mandating the installation of video cameras as part of a building permit for a business and what they need to cover. There are so many things you have to have when building out a business and obtaining the requisite building/business permits. However, involuntary access IS a violation and I don't know how any City attorney would allow this to come to fruition.

 

[Mgderf]

Time to push back and push back hard.

"When in the course of human events..."

 

[Cameramonkey]

I could see a City mandating the installation of video cameras as part of a building permit for a business and what they need to cover. There are so many things you have to have when building out a business and obtaining the requisite building/business permits. However, involuntary access IS a violation and I don't know how any City attorney would allow this to come to fruition.

Just like sidewalks. Pull a permit? Project MUST include a sidewalk if you dont already have one. Regardless of whether you want one or not. New Sewer connection? New sidewalk. Remodeling the interior? New sidwalk. New stick built minibarn in the back yard? New sidewalk.

And yes, forced access will be an uphill fight. Buf if they can force the install, they can at least fall back on a search warrant.
And how many will properly maintain the systems? And will the language of the bill require minimum camera specs and storage duration? Otherwise there's gonna be a BUNCH of $50 cameras installed that wont show sh** on playback. "Yes a car drove by at 4:03am. No clue what kind, but it was a car.

And how many will set and forget? "sorry officer, camera went down. No idea when because we dont check."

 

[DoggyDaddy]

New Sewer connection? New sidewalk. Remodeling the interior? New sidwalk.

Have been through both in the last 2 years and no sidewalk was required.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I just kinda skimmed that article:

“Cameras must be government-approved and cover every entrance and parking lot 24/7. Property owners must also store the digital files for 30 days at their own expense. If anything breaks, they must pay for repairs or risk $500 daily fines. The city makes no exceptions for vandalism, power outages, or technical glitches.

The city even has a workaround to the Constitution’s Fourth Amendment, which controls search and seizure in the United States. The new ordinance, which will take effect on Sept. 26, requires property owners to hand over video files to the government upon demand. “If they don’t cooperate, we have to get a search warrant,” Richmond Heights Police Chief Calvin Williams tolda local news station.”

 

[Mgderf]

I wonder if government properties will be under the same requirements?

 

[rbhargan]

No different than the local government requiring property owners to maintain the sidewalks in front of their house.

Or are you under the impression that the government serves the people? Because it is actually the other way around.

 

[Leadeye]

The "city approved" seller of the cameras clearly paid well for this law, and if you want to get rich for little invested, buying a law is the quickest way.

Always follow the money

 

[patience0830]

Just like sidewalks. Pull a permit? Project MUST include a sidewalk if you dont already have one. Regardless of whether you want one or not. New Sewer connection? New sidewalk. Remodeling the interior? New sidwalk. New stick built minibarn in the back yard? New sidewalk.

And yes, forced access will be an uphill fight. Buf if they can force the install, they can at least fall back on a search warrant.
And how many will properly maintain the systems? And will the language of the bill require minimum camera specs and storage duration? Otherwise there's gonna be a BUNCH of $50 cameras installed that wont show sh** on playback. "Yes a car drove by at 4:03am. No clue what kind, but it was a car.

And how many will set and forget? "sorry officer, camera went down. No idea when because we dont check."

Don't know why they're worried about catching anybody. Prosecutor just turns 'em loose. Why bother?

 

[Cameramonkey]

Have been through both in the last 2 years and no sidewalk was required.

Even in Marion County? If so maybe its only for commercial property? I know we had to build one at our office and it was ridiculous. Now ours is the only section on our street.

 

[INgunowner]

Why bother?

If you believe a government mandated state wide surveillance apparatus has anything to do with people violating the 10 commandments...

I have some real estate to show you.

 

[patience0830]

If you believe a government mandated state wide surveillance apparatus has anything to do with people violating the 10 commandments...

I have some real estate to show you.

I do not operate under that misconception. Once they have the lists, they'll want to know where the listees are.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Even in Marion County? If so maybe its only for commercial property? I know we had to build one at our office and it was ridiculous. Now ours is the only section on our street.

Yep in Marion County. Now maybe because they were putting in the sanitary sewers for the whole street they decided not to do it, but I don't really know.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Yep in Marion County. Now maybe because they were putting in the sanitary sewers for the whole street they decided not to do it, but I don't really know.

Oh. Ok. THEY were doing it. Not surprised. I can see them skipping it. That means THEY would have to pay for the sidewalks.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Oh. Ok. THEY were doing it. Not surprised. I can see them skipping it. That means THEY would have to pay for the sidewalks.

Well, THEY had no problem making US pay to connect to THEIR sanitary sewers. I neither wanted nor needed it. Still being taken out of my Citizens Energy bill.

 

[blain]

Or are you under the impression that the government serves the people? Because it is actually the other way around.

Sure, it may be drudgery most of the time, but they offer us safety when the raiders come.