Thank you for the info! I'd certainly like to have a good method for checking multiple guns purchased privately.
If you get a stolen hit, do you arrest the carrier?
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Gun Temporarily Confiscated to Check if Stolen
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Thank you for the info! I'd certainly like to have a good method for checking multiple guns purchased privately.
If you get a stolen hit, do you arrest the carrier?
To guard against that problem, I'd request a photo of the SN BEFORE the transaction so it could be run. (and of course double check they match before cash is handed over later!)
A legit individual would have no reason to say no... Just like somebody asking you to take the car to the buyer's trusted mechanic prior to the handshake for an inspection. If they say no RUN, not walk, RUN away as fast as you can.
After all, if it comes back "dirty" you are only out the immediate opportunity for "a deal", and the poor seller is possibly out the gun when the officer running said check wants to meet the seller on your behalf
. Unless its a pair of antique double barrel shotguns, more will come along later so dont sweat it. (Why, yes, I just watched Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels last night, why do you ask?
)Which gets me to thinking. How many legit shops like Bradis, BGF, etc run the numbers before they buy/resell guns?
remauto1187
Shooter
In Illinois and Florida...It isnt that the pawnshops "want to"....its required by law.
Who do you have run the numbers for you?
I am asking the officers here if they arrest the carrier if their gun gets a hit as stolen? The reason being that some folks carry BUGs, long guns, competition guns, etc. I assume that if arrest happens all guns in vehicle would be confiscated into IMPDs property storage be they stolen or not?
VERY RARELY does the possessor get arrested for a stolen gun. We have to prove the carrier KNEW it was stolen and that is hard to prove short of a confession.
Yes, guns in a vehicle where it would get towed from an arrest will get taken to our property room.
OK, this is really off-topic...
...but after living here for 35 years or so, I am itching to know what kinds of odd treasures lurk inside the IMPD property room. Any standout stories?
(Any chance you can snap a pic next time you're there?
)-Paul
Bwframe, I haven't had the need yet. Just making my suggestion after carefully considering the ramifications of WHEN to have the numbers run.
personally, I've only done purchases with close friends and gun shops and haven't the need to run the numbers yet.
personally, I've only done purchases with close friends and gun shops and haven't the need to run the numbers yet.
OK, this is really off-topic...
...but after living here for 35 years or so, I am itching to know what kinds of odd treasures lurk inside the IMPD property room. Any standout stories?
(Any chance you can snap a pic next time you're there?
-Paul
Ha, well there are barrels of rifles/shotguns, not sure where the unwanted pistols are. Guns in evidence are in separate individual boxes. I don't get back there very often but we do get some neat stuff only to have it torched.
CathyInBlue
Grandmaster
All INGO LEOs who have "run numbers" on handguns confiscated from legal handgun carriers:
What would happen if you took, say, a run of the mill 1911 type handgun off someone to go run the serial number… and it doesn't have one… because the carrier you confiscated it from manufactured it legally for his own personal use? Do any of you have procedures, and more's to the point, know those procedures to handle such a situation?
What would happen if you took, say, a run of the mill 1911 type handgun off someone to go run the serial number… and it doesn't have one… because the carrier you confiscated it from manufactured it legally for his own personal use? Do any of you have procedures, and more's to the point, know those procedures to handle such a situation?
CathyInBlue
Grandmaster
Oh, do tell how you came by this understanding of the law and LEO powers.
Do tell? So, LEO's have the right to just open the car door, disarm, sweep the passenger and confiscate the weapon without any RS/PC or a warrant.
Last time I heard this is not a police state. There is the 4th Amendment in case you forgot.
We have come across older guns that were pre-serial number requirements. I don't recall any problems arising from them. There is a distinct difference in appearance between a gun with a removed SN and one that never had one to begin with.
But this opens another can of worms. You find someone in possession of a gun reported stolen. Don't you have to treat that as a possible 'receiving stolen property' case? Hard to prove, but now you really DO have RS that criminal activity is afoot. You're not just going to let this guy walk, now that you're found he has a stolen gun...?
If an officer goes to the trouble of running the numbers, 'just in case', what exactly is he intending to do if the gun comes back dirty? Just because someone has a LTCH doesn't mean they're not also a thief, or get their guns from thieves.
Therein lies the rub. Courts have allowed officers to hold firearms for the duration of the traffic stop under the umbrella of "officer safety". I don't do that unless I need to but it's not "illegal" if I did. There have been some rulings that skirt this issue that "appear" to favor gun carriers but there is no clear ruling/law forbidding this practice.
