Happy Meals to go the way of the Twinkie

[beararms1776]

Well, Ms. Archer. Do you feel like you even deserve a job, then?

That would price McD's out of the game. No way they could afford those wages.

Stupid never learns, I suppose.

I wouldn't say they're stupid but I think $15 hr. is unreasonable. Even some of the more labor intense professional jobs only pay a couple more on the hour than what McD's pays.
I'm sure there's employees they pay a little more to. They'll never get $15 though. They could ask for $9 but then they would likely run the risk of a decrease in hours or layoff because they probably couldn't afford a dollar either.

 

[IndyDave1776]

There is a couple of things that can come from this. Fat.. I mean Fast food would go away. Hey we may end up with something like in Demolition Man and only have Taco Bells!

Why not? We already have the evil Mr. Rogers wannabe in the White House!

 

[mrjarrell]

While $15/hr is a bit more than the job's worth, the $8/hr isn't really on par with what wages in that area should be. I would have figured they'd be in the 9-10 range there, given the cost of living. Those are the same wages you can pull down around here, with a considerably lower cost of living. McD's is making out like a bandit on their end.

 

[beararms1776]

While $15/hr is a bit more than the job's worth, the $8/hr isn't really on par with what wages in that area should be. I would have figured they'd be in the 9-10 range there, given the cost of living. Those are the same wages you can pull down around here, with a considerably lower cost of living. McD's is making out like a bandit on their end.

I think the "general consensus is, is that people don't have bills to pay.

 

[steveh_131]

While $15/hr is a bit more than the job's worth, the $8/hr isn't really on par with what wages in that area should be. I would have figured they'd be in the 9-10 range there, given the cost of living. Those are the same wages you can pull down around here, with a considerably lower cost of living. McD's is making out like a bandit on their end.

It does seem to be a bit low compared to the cost of living.

Let's trace it back to the cause. Apparently a job at McDonalds is in high demand, if they are able to get away with such low pay. That tells me that there are more people in the area than the jobs can support.

Shouldn't the high cost of living keep so many people from living in the area and fighting over jobs? Well, normally yes. But the government is subsidizing their cost of living, as the article suggested.

 

[jbombelli]

If you agree to do a job for a certain pay, don't ***** about the pay unless the job ends up being more than described up front.

 

[beararms1776]

If you agree to do a job for a certain pay, don't ***** about the pay unless the job ends up being more than described up front.

They've been there for three years though. They likely started out at $8 an hour. Is it not fair they ask for more but certainly not $15 for burger flipping.

 

[beararms1776]

But the government is subsidizing their cost of living, as the article suggested.

Brought on by who and what? Low pay maybe. Pull the foundation from under a house and it's sure to colapse. Huh, I wonder what other foundations would eventually collapse due to unaffordable funds.

 

[phylodog]

The lesson to be learned is that if one wishes to earn more than $8/hour one should probably concern one's self with making better decisions, not demanding skilled laborer wages to push buttons or assemble hamburgers.

 

[HavokCycle]

The lesson to be learned is that if one wishes to earn more than $8/hour one should probably concern one's self with making better decisions, not demanding skilled laborer wages to push buttons or assemble hamburgers.

well that's just not 'fair.'
how DARE you get an education and a career that doesn't involve changing urinal pucks, and be paid more for it?

 

[beararms1776]

The lesson to be learned is that if one wishes to earn more than $8/hour one should probably concern one's self with making better decisions, not demanding skilled laborer wages to push buttons or assemble hamburgers.

Exactly. The 15 they're asking for is more like a skilled labor starting pay. After 3 yrs. though, you'd think they would get some increase.

 

[HeadlessRoland]

Don't get me started. Both sides of the coin are destructive to the core precisely due to market interferences by government and non-State actors alike.

We're living in a dreamer's dream, to steal a song.

 

[JoshuaW]

It's kind of a non-starter. They have tried to unionize before unsuccessfully, and they won't be successful this time either. If they get close they will start to scare people with $5 small french fries and the outcry will scare them down. Besides, $8 is nothing there. I don't understand adults working at fast food, but heck, even a teen in New York $8 won't get you far. $10 is more like it, which is about what fast food workers get paid in California, an area with similarly high living costs.

 

[danielocean03]

I heard an interesting interview on NPR months ago regarding this very topic, as far as increasing minimum wage is concerned. Someone from NPR was a combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell interviewing the teenage employees about their wages, asked them what they made and what they'd like to make. Answers were pretty similar, a little above minimum wage was typical earnings, and of course they all wanted to make more money.

Another NPR correspondent on the same piece had interviewed someone at Yum brands corporate about the anticipated effects of a substantial increase in minimum wage on their business model(s). They quickly and concisely replied that there would be more automated preparation systems and fewer employees per store with more responsibilities.

I can't see anything different happening in McD's if their workers unionized. McD's has mastered the art of maximizing profits regardless of the situation.

 

[9lock]

I think the "general consensus is, is that people don't have bills to pay.

Naa, I think it is a general anti union thing were people want to purge it from our lives like removing union from the union address, removing the union field off the flag, removing united from the united states, fasces off the walls of congress and Lincoln's chair. You know that anti American stuff.

 

[Amishman44]

It's an entry level position. Do they understand that concept?

No they do not understand! What's even more interesting is that when idiots think they deserve $15 per hour...they are always talking about themselves...with no concern for the customer, management, their fellow worker's, etc...only themselves!

It's also why they are still working in an entry-level position at McDonald's after 3 years!

McDonald's is a great starter position (for teens and college-age students) as well as for retirees who want to keep working a bit! We have a McD's near us and their morning shift is all retirees...it's a fun place to visit for breakfast on occassion!

 

[jrogers]

My favorite part of tea-party conservatism is the success its architects have had in convincing its proletarian members to identify with the interests of the bourgeoisie.

 

[04DarkShadowGT]

I made $7.25 at Wendys in high school nealrrly 15 years ago, Id be wanting more than $8 living in NYC now lol. Unionising is a bit much, but man they arent making squat innthat city. You cant afford to live there making $200k let alone $15k.

 

[beararms1776]

Naa, I think it is a general anti union thing were people want to purge it from our lives like removing union from the union address, removing the union field off the flag, removing united from the united states, fasces off the walls of congress and Lincoln's chair. You know that anti American stuff.

Very good point.

 

[4sarge]

This self admitted Communist Pig wants to Destroy America One job at a time


As leading SEIU activist Stephen Lerner told a March 19, 2011, Building Solidarity through Community Power: Community-Labor Coalitions panel at New York’s Left Forum

Unions are almost dead we cannot survive doing what we do but the simple fact of the matter is community organizations are almost dead also
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They don’t dare let you know that though.
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Two leading labor unionists, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka and Communications Workers President Larry Cohen, both with ties to Democratic Socialists of America, are throwing down the gauntlet against the “Tea Party” and Middle America.
From the Communist Party USA‘s Peoples World

Organized labor mobilized in congressional districts nationwide in August, with two top leaders saying union activists this year will take the place of the tea party radicals of 2009-10. And the unionists, leaders and organizers say, are mad.
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In separate telephone conferences, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka and Communications Workers President Larry Cohen laid out the ambitious agenda. They said unionists demand lawmakers stop paying attention to Wall Street and resume paying attention to Main Street – and specifically to measures to create jobs…
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Cohen declared the mobilization not only would tackle current demands, such as preserving Social Security and Medicare and fighting for job creation, but that it carries an implied political message: Politicians who do not support workers and their causes will not get labor’s endorsements or money in elections this fall and next year.
As evidence, he cited the New Jersey AFL-CIO convention, which voted on endorsements in this fall’s state legislative races. To get statewide endorsements, candidates needed votes from delegates representing 67 percent of the state’s unionists.
New Jersey Democrats who supported GOP Gov. Chris Christie’s law cutting state workers’ pension benefits and increasing their contributions – including one unionist who is state Assembly speaker – flunked. Many got majorities; none got two-thirds.
“People are ready to be at town halls and meetings in August, confronting them,” Cohen said of politicians who either actively oppose workers or who sit on their hands. “This will not be like two years ago” where the tea party dominated the debate, he said…
“We spent the last couple of months dealing with a politically manufactured debt ceiling crisis, not the jobs crisis,” Trumka said, referring to the debt-deficit deal and the brinkmanship, pushed by the tea party radicals, that led to the deal.
“Working people will fight back, with allies, to say ‘Enough is enough,’” he added.
The federation organized dozens of events in cities nationwide to demand politicians tend to the jobs problem, at a time of 9.1 percent unemployment and unemployment and underemployment that ranges from one-sixth to one-fourth of the workforce. It also plans to send workers and activists to lawmakers’ town hall meetings to demand action on a broad-based jobs agenda.
Those activists will take the place of the tea party radicals of two years ago, whose sometimes violent demonstrations scared supporters of health care revision – and whose energy was then co-opted by corporate interests for their own ends, notably smashing workers and the middle class.
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Labor’s socialist leaders understand that 2012 is ‘do or die’ for them.