Homeless man shot to death by police while “illegally camping” in NM foothills

[TMU317]

Until we have a law that requires police to tell the truth, they do this on a daily basis as a means of gaining otherwise-involuntary compliance from you.

How often do you think plea bargains are based on a lie?

How often do you think plea bargains have any thing to do with police? Would that law state it is illegal for everyone to lie, or just the police?

 

[IndyDave1776]

How often do you think plea bargains have any thing to do with police? Would that law state it is illegal for everyone to lie, or just the police?

How about treating lying on the part of .gov employees to gain compliance which would not otherwise have been given like any other variety of fraud, which it most definitely is.

 

[Denny347]

Until we have a law that requires police to tell the truth, they do this on a daily basis as a means of gaining otherwise-involuntary compliance from you.

How often do you think plea bargains are based on a lie?

Depends on the lie and for what reason. I got PC to arrest a guy but I know he could be a fighter. So I lie and tell him its no big deal, cuffs gotta go on him while I investigate. Get the cuffs on and I tell him the truth, no fight, no one hurt. Depends on the lie. I do it to keep a suspect from making a bad choice.

 

[Denny347]

How about treating lying on the part of .gov employees to gain compliance which would not otherwise have been given like any other variety of fraud, which it most definitely is.

See my post above. That is fraud? The suspect would not have been cuffed otherwise without a fight. I gained compliance by lying.

 

[Tombs]

Depends on the lie and for what reason. I got PC to arrest a guy but I know he could be a fighter. So I lie and tell him its no big deal, cuffs gotta go on him while I investigate. Get the cuffs on and I tell him the truth, no fight, no one hurt. Depends on the lie. I do it to keep a suspect from making a bad choice.

What do you think I meant by otherwise-involuntary compliance? You pretty much just defined it.

And before someone gets the wise idea to defend lying, I would have to ask you as to why it is considered wrong in the first place?

 

[rambone]

People are not on board with this "textbook" killing.

 

[JMoses]

LOL....nice sign. All they could come up with to use as a photo was his mug shot!

 

[churchmouse]

 

[goinggreyfast]

OK, so without reading 29 pages----has anybody been banned yet? This thread looks ripe for it.

 

[churchmouse]

OK, so without reading 29 pages----has anybody been banned yet? This thread looks ripe for it.

I have just been reading and digesting everything. Not wading in on this one. Can not say as I have seen any ban hammer worthy posts but we are not t 300 yet.....

 

[Kirk Freeman]

People are not on board with this "textbook" killing.

I am simply amazed that ANSWER would ever be against the police exercising self-defense.

Thanks for admitting that this incident is political, not legal.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

However, (and at least from the brief clip I saw) it appears that the officers basically double crossed the guy. That bothers me.

And you trust every EDP you meet to correctly restate the terms of any agreement? Especially the very same EDP that was screaming about hunting people down and killing them?

Even if the cops did, so what? Boyd was not in a place where he had a right to be, had committed several crimes there and forfeited his life by committing Aggravated Assault on the officers.

 

[steveh_131]

Thanks for admitting that this incident is political, not legal.

Pointing out its political ramifications does not disqualify it's legal ramifications. You know that, Kirk. Stop playing dumb.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Pointing out its political ramifications does not disqualify it's legal ramifications.

Most assuredly it does. This was just a stick to beat the police with. The proud photos of the ANSWER demonstration prove it.

There is nothing wrong with a political thread but to use your term, legal ramifications, as a stalking horse is less than optimal.

APD does have a reputation of being dicks. However, even dicks have the right to self-defense.

 

[steveh_131]

Most assuredly it does. This was just a stick to beat the police with. The proud photos of the ANSWER demonstration prove it.

There is nothing wrong with a political thread but to use your term, legal ramifications, as a stalking horse is less than optimal.

APD does have a reputation of being dicks. However, even dicks have the right to self-defense.

This is illogical and you know it. It can be illegal, immoral, and politically unpopular all at the same time.

Discussing one does not not exclude the others.

 

[Zoub]

And now we've probably frightened him away and we'll never know.

Oh please, I aint scarit.

For the record, I was talking about Wounded Knee 1973. It's a bit more relevant to this thread. You Youngins' didnt make the connection. For some of us, shortly after that, you tended not to hang around on a Reservation or frankly, even stop on one to buy gas. (Do they not teach you kids this **** in school?)

I have spent a fair amount of time on Indian reservations over the last 40 years. They are not much different than urban zones of death and decay. The biggest difference is instead of major drug trafficking or organized crime they now have casinos to generate revenue. They are organized, just in a different way. More income per person tends to cut down some on certain types of crime but with the casinos comes more crime in general around the casinos and in towns with them and of course a need for more PoPo. Now you are more likely to be attacked by a drunk gambler then have your parked truck at a boat launch broken into or boat stolen.

The Res also has its own law. If they didn't, I think we would see a lot more events like the one in the OP. Most of the people running around the wilderness areas tend to be white, not counting illegals, and so do most of the cops. I am not sure if any real correlation can be drawn from that fact alone, but the reduction in confrontation between white police and American Indians is a good thing.

 

[Zoub]

Again, I never implied that a small knife can't kill you.

Any size knife can kill you. The length of the knife is relevant when discussing the distance from the attacker. The smaller it is, the closer he needs to be and the more time you have to pull the trigger.

Only women will make the case that the difference between 3" and 5" makes a real difference. I get the feeling you don't own a lot of knives or use them much but if he can get you with a 10" knife, he can get you with a 3" knife. It's only the first inch that really does all the hurting.

The people who can easily justify the shooting can make that case regardless of the size of the knife and they can do it using facts when it comes to the dangers of the knife itself. If you focus on the size of the knife, you are down in the weeds where they will win the argument.

One of the knives I own is by far not the biggest BUT it may be the most lethal. After being shot at point blank range with a rifle and sustaining massive injury to his arm that he used to block the muzzle from being stuck in his face, my Dad used that knife to kill the guy that had just damn near blew his arm off. So your logic is a bit flawed because in this case, the shooter went first and lost. I would add he basically lost to a one armed guy with a knife in his weak hand, who was out of bullets. I think you could argue my Dad was more motivated not to be captured or killed then the Korean was to do either to him. Never underestimate a persons motivations. Never assume you know what a person is going to do next.

I know you like facts so here is more. They were behind enemy lines in a running gun battle. Over the course of the day and night they were slowly reduced in numbers until it finally went hand to hand. The bullet entered his forearm in front of his face as he blocked the muzzle with it and luckily did not pass through, instead it hit bone, turned and traveled up his entire left arm, shattering it along the way. He was left handed so now his strong arm was out of the fight.

I know you think you are ****ing smart, but book smarts do not translate to street smarts. Stick to politics, but try to make your your case with the size of the knife and you will never win.

 

[steveh_131]

I know you think you are ****ing smart, but book smarts do not translate to street smarts. Stick to politics, but try to make your your case with the size of the knife and you will never win.

Did you even read the thread, or did you just jump right in with your ramblings?

I have made it pretty clear that the only relevance of the size of the knife is the difference in distance he would have to close in order to reach you with it.

Maybe I don't own as many knives as you, but my 'book smarts' tells me that you have to be closer to stab someone with a 3" knife than you do with a 12" knife. Since we were arguing over the single digits of feet between them, it does have some relevance. I didn't make a big deal out of the size of the knives. I just used the word 'tiny' as an adjective and the butthurt started to flow.

I've been in very close proximity with plenty of homeless people, many of whom carried knives or weapons of some sort. I interacted with them personally for years. Many of them were mentally ill as well. I heard plenty of menacing comments. I didn't **** my pants like everyone in this thread, or like the trigger happy cops in this video.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Did you even read the thread, or did you just jump right in with your ramblings?

I have made it pretty clear that the only relevance of the size of the knife is the difference in distance he would have to close in order to reach you with it.

Maybe I don't own as many knives as you, but my 'book smarts' tells me that you have to be closer to stab someone with a 3" knife than you do with a 12" knife. Since we were arguing over the single digits of feet between them, it does have some relevance. I didn't make a big deal out of the size of the knives. I just used the word 'tiny' as an adjective and the butthurt started to flow.

I've been in very close proximity with plenty of homeless people, many of whom carried knives or weapons of some sort. I interacted with them personally for years. Many of them were mentally ill as well. I heard plenty of menacing comments. I didn't **** my pants like everyone in this thread, or like the trigger happy cops in this video.

So... 3 inch knife vs 12 inch knife.... means you'd wait the time for the 9 extra inches of blade length to pose a threat before defending yourself? I don't have Jedi reflexes like that. You should be a pod racer.

 

[churchmouse]