How would you interpret this, legally?

[kludge]

I was at the library a couple days ago and this posting caught my eye.

How would you interpret the highlighted section? I'll just leave it open ended.

 

[Rookie]

Don't bring a sword, they are prohibited.
Displaying a weapon wouldn't refer to open carry.

 

[JimmyR]

The way I read this, they are asking people not to OC or present your weapon.

 

[nucular]

Yep. I read it as CC OK, OCC not OK.

 

[Bill B]

It's almost word-for-word from the law.

 

[singlestacksig]

it there is a public meeting you can not OC..

"IC 35-47-11.1-4
Not prohibited by chapter
<snip>
(6) The enactment or enforcement of a provision prohibiting or restricting the intentional display of a firearm at a public meeting.
"

 

[indykid]

I believe the Westfield library is on school property which would make it in a criminal protection zone. They are just making sure people using the library realize that. Remember, it is very hard to see the two schools on either side of the building.

 

[Bill B]

it there is a public meeting you can not OC..

"IC 35-47-11.1-4
Not prohibited by chapter
<snip>
(6) The enactment or enforcement of a provision prohibiting or restricting the intentional display of a firearm at a public meeting.
"

I would interpret it to mean that you may not do something to display your firearm, ie, uncover it. I don't interpret it to mean no oc, but the courts have not ruled on this yet (that I can find online) and I wouldn't want to be the test case for some over-zealous prosecutor. Too bad we can't get the attorney general to offer his opinion.

 

[dmonday]

I read it as CC and OC is okay as long as there is not a public meeting. In that case they want you to CC.

 

[Bill B]

I believe the Westfield library is on school property which would make it in a criminal protection zone. They are just making sure people using the library realize that. Remember, it is very hard to see the two schools on either side of the building.

From google maps, it looks like it is next to a middle school, but has it's own entrance and parking area and is seperated from the school by some woods.
http://maps.google.com/maps?rls=com...=X&ei=BaISUY2jO6iBywHwqoDQCA&ved=0CIIBEPwSMAA

 

[Bunnykid68]

Leave your broadsword at home and you should be ok.

 

[Signal23]

"I never saw the letter".......no "I never saw the letter", not clearly posted or brought to my attention.

 

[dangar]

I read it as CC and OC is okay as long as there is not a public meeting. In that case they want you to CC.

^^^This, if we are going with a strict interpretation. Not knowing the intent, I think that is the only way to interpret.

 

[wizard_of_ahs]

 

[Thegeek]

Intentional display:

To me this sounds like a cowboy pulling back his duster to reveal the pistol in the holster. Basically it's a non-verbal statement of "I'm armed, don't f^$% with me".

 

[Bunnykid68]

"I never saw the letter".......no "I never saw the letter", not clearly posted or brought to my attention.

I think you misread the notice as I did the first time, it is not barring one from carrying firearms(SB292) it says no other weapons are allowed

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Well, let's look at the rest of the chapter of the IC code and see where else "display" appears.

(4) The enactment or enforcement of generally applicable zoning or business ordinances that apply to firearms businesses to the same degree as other similar businesses. However, a provision of an ordinance that is designed or enforced to effectively restrict or prohibit the sale, purchase, transfer, manufacture, or display of firearms, ammunition, or firearm accessories that is otherwise lawful under the laws of this state is void.

Seems to me that "display" would mean to make visible, as a business displays their wares. Until case law decides one way or the other, seems like you could make a pretty solid argument either way. That merely being visible is a 'display', and that no attempt to garner attention is required since a gun in a glass case isn't being thrust in the limelight, so to speak. However even an OC'd weapon isn't being made visible for the purposes of display any more than the shirt you are wearing, its simply visible.

Seems like case law begging to be made to me.

 

[KG1]

Leave your broadsword at home and you should be ok.

No can do. I take my broadsword everywhere.

 

[Tnichols00]

To me it says
"You are not allowed to have:
Baselard
Cinquedea
Ear dagger
Großes Messer
Katara
Mercygiver
Poniard
Rondel
Scramasax
Sgian
Stiletto
Arming sword
Shortsword
Zweihander
Claymore
Battle axe
Club
Flail
Mace
Flanged mace
Pernach
Shestopyor
Maul
Morning star
Quarterstaff
War hammer
Bec de Corbin
Horseman's pick
Bludgeon
Bardiche
Bill
Glaive
Guisarme
Halberd
Lance
Lochaber Axe
Lucerne hammer
Man catcher
Military fork, the weaponized Pitchfork
Partisan
Pike
Plançon a picot
Ranseur
Sovnya
Spetum
Swordstaff
Voulge
War-scythe
War hammer
Bombard
Bow
Longbow
English longbow
Recurve bow
Mongol bow
Crossbow
Arbalest
Ballista
Repeating crossbow
Lian Nu, a multishot crossbow
Arquebus
Culverin
Sling
Throwing Weapons
Francisca
Nzappa zap
Tomahawk
Throwing Spear
Shuriken
Chakram

But if you have a carry permit feel free to carry your firearm we just ask that you be courteous to others who are easily scared and conceal your weapon."

 

[kludge]

I believe the Westfield library is on school property which would make it in a criminal protection zone. They are just making sure people using the library realize that. Remember, it is very hard to see the two schools on either side of the building.

Ah, and there's the rub.

Thanks for all the responses.

My first thought upon reading the weapons rule, was that they meant "including" firearms and it was just a typo.

Then I read the next line, which gave me the impression that it was the obligatory reference to SB292.

There are schools on either side, but there's no indication that the library is "school property", as mentioned, it has it's own entrance and parking lot.

When we moved to Westfield, I had my wife nonchalantly ask if the library was part of the school property (I wasn't present) and the person said that the library property was leased from the school. I don't know this for a fact, I haven't actually investigated this further, we just took it at face value. And so when carrying, I've treated it like school propery and made it very obvious - not using a parking spot, waiting in front of the door in my running vehicle - that I was in "pick up and drop off" mode, just in case it came to that.

So from the language of the library rules, it seems that whoever is in charge of making the sign feels like it is a normal publicly owed building and state preemption applies.

More investigation needed, I guess.