I should have been in bed hours ago. Reading Handgun Laws, MI specific.

[Bung]

I've been looking into getting my UT or FL non-resident permit and got to looking at MI carry (when I should be looking at OH carry) because my mother-in-law lives in MI so I go there about once a year. Anyway, am I reading it right that you can carry into a school there as long as you possess your permit and OC? It seems you can carry basically anywhere prohibited as long as you OC, with permit. I'm not sure if that means out-of-state recip permits are honored in that way since it mentions registered pistols. They also seem to have some strange transport/open carry laws. You can open carry without a permit but you have to lock ammo/gun separate in the car. WTH is that about? It seems they make this quagmire of laws so they can say "GOTCHA" when you get confused and slip-up. I think OH has that same law as well. I need to look into OH law more since that is the reason I intend to get the UT/FF no-res permit anyway.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/michigan.pdf

My eyes hurt now, I'm going to try to get some sleep. Instead of counting sheep, I'll count ordinances and subsection numbers.

 

[cedartop]

You seem to be mostly reading that correctly. The thing about vehicles is that the minute you get in a car you are no longer OC but CC, so if you don't have a CPL it is now illegal. I can clarify some of the other stuff later.

 

[1mil-high]

You are right. Regarding the separating of gun and ammo in the car without a CPL, separation basically has been found to mean that the ammo cannot be in the gun or the same case. You could have a loaded mag ready to go, just not in the same case or in the gun. Also, no loaded long guns under any circumstance (besides on-duty LEO).

 

[1mil-high]

Double post

 

[daddymikey1975]

What about carrying in a car with a LTCH ? Still legal or not ?

 

[gvsugod]

What about carrying in a car with a LTCH ? Still legal or not ?

Good to go. Note that in MI you must inform to a LEO that you are carrying if stopped.

 

[rockhopper46038]

A good summary and supporting information can be found here:

http://www.cmda-law.com/uploaded_pics/pdf/pdf-20121011110903.pdf

 

[Bung]

Well, why can't we do that here? Silly Indiana.

 

[Lectric102002]

A good summary and supporting information can be found here:

http://www.cmda-law.com/uploaded_pics/pdf/pdf-20121011110903.pdf

An interesting article. But her last paragraph almost sounds like she is not so much a "proponent" of open carry. Or am I reading something into it that isn't there ?

 

[cedartop]

A good summary and supporting information can be found here:

http://www.cmda-law.com/uploaded_pics/pdf/pdf-20121011110903.pdf

Nice read. Thanks for the link.

 

[Arthur Dent]

Anyway, am I reading it right that you can carry into a school there as long as you possess your permit and OC? It seems you can carry basically anywhere prohibited as long as you OC, with permit.

You are correct on this. Just note that should you do so you will cause a bit of a ruckus even though it is legal.

 

[ConcealedSataJet]

You are correct on this. Just note that should you do so you will cause a bit of a ruckus even though it is legal.

In Michigan, a CPL isn't required to OC in public schools, just be able legally posses firearms. I'm honestly torn on the issue. It usually goes like this: Parent OC into school, the administration freaks out, lock-down, parent explains the law, the cops are always called, the cops explains the law, no one goes to jail, mass "man with gun e-mails" sent to parents, rewind, repeat.

We have a fair share of odd gun laws.

CSJ

 

[bobn911]

In Michigan, a CPL isn't required to OC in public schools, just be able legally posses firearms. I'm honestly torn on the issue. It usually goes like this: Parent OC into school, the administration freaks out, lock-down, parent explains the law, the cops are always called, the cops explains the law, no one goes to jail, mass "man with gun e-mails" sent to parents, rewind, repeat.

We have a fair share of odd gun laws.

CSJ

Wrong!! You must have a CPL in order to OC in a school. Please show me the cite that says you can OC in a school without a CPL.

 

[Lectric102002]

Wrong!! You must have a CPL in order to OC in a school.

I can't find that in the statutes anywhere. Maybe you can cite the part of Section 750 where that appears.

Just wanting to know for my own enlightenment. Not trying to prove or disprove anyone's opinion. I doubt that I will ever have occasion to OC at a school in MI, but you never know.

 

[Arthur Dent]

I can't find that in the statutes anywhere. Maybe you can cite the part of Section 750 where that appears.

Just wanting to know for my own enlightenment. Not trying to prove or disprove anyone's opinion. I doubt that I will ever have occasion to OC at a school in MI, but you never know.

I've been researching this and have found that you may be correct. CPL holders CANNOT concealed carry in a school. I'll update as I find out more. From reading the law about it it seems a bit of a gray area, at least in my opinion at this point.

 

[22rssix]

The OC in a school and some other GFZ is a legal if you have a CPL. If you OC in a school without a CPL then you are in violation the law.

Having a CPL as a MI resident and open carrying opens up some GFZ's. Most folks do not know this and you will be talking to the cops.
I'm not sure if being a non-resident OC'n in GFZ's would be an issue or not if you are following MI law.

I OC and CC in MI and havent had issues with my travels. but I'm sticking to normal areas and not going into the GFZ's

If you look at Michigan gun owners at Michigan Gun Owners you will find supporting information about MI law. Just sign up for the forum and use the key word search just like you would here.

 

[Arthur Dent]

Everything I have read simply says that you cannot carry concealed in a school with a CPL.

 

[Lectric102002]

Everything I have read simply says that you cannot carry concealed in a school with a CPL.

You are correct. I finally found it (Emphasis and color added) :


28.425o Premises on which carrying concealed weapon or portable device that uses electro-muscular disruption technology prohibited; “premises” defined; exceptions to subsections (1) and (2); violation; penalties.Sec. 5o.
(1) Subject to subsection (5), an individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol, or who is exempt from licensure under section 12a(1)(f), shall not carry a concealed pistol on the premises of any of the following:
(a) A school or school property except that a parent or legal guardian of a student of the school is not precluded from carrying a concealed pistol while in a vehicle on school property, if he or she is dropping the student off at the school or picking up the child from the school. As used in this section, "school" and "school property" mean those terms as defined in section 237a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.237a.

 

[ConcealedSataJet]

Wrong!! You must have a CPL in order to OC in a school. Please show me the cite that says you can OC in a school without a CPL.

Ok, I was wrong. I didn't realized it only pertained to CPL holders.
Here's a pretty good article from mlive

So, it's legal to carry a loaded gun into a Michigan school? | MLive.com

 

[bobn911]

CSJ, sorry to have 'hit and ran' but it's been hectic here. All of the so called PFZ except court rooms and federal buildings are OC if you have a CPL in MI. That means, all public schools, day cares or child placing agency's, sports arenas or stadiums, churches, hospitals, dorms or classrooms of colleges, casinos, bars or taverns a person must Open Carry as long as He/She has a CPL. No CPL? No Carry.

On the Michigan CPL there is an exemption box. If it is 'checked' the person may carry concealed in all of the PFZ except casinos, federal buildings.