If they applied as much effort into beating the opposition as they did their own constituency, they could probably accomplish great things.
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Indiana Constitutional Carry - HB1022 (2018)
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If they applied as much effort into beating the opposition as they did their own constituency, they could probably accomplish great things.
I wasn't aware that the 15-year-old shooter in KY was legally carrying, with or without a government permission slip.
I'm pretty sure that could be the motto of the Republican party, in general.
brotherbill3
Master
on a lighter note.
HEY That was me - I also said - bait and switch - and we got a Pig in a Poke
(kudo's to YE OLD FOGEYs like me that get all these)
Now back to the steaming mad.
Hey - if you all can convince my wife - I might consider a run against his speakershi... (debates T or P on the end) ...
Ironic in that the lone NO vote was....... Charlie Brown
However, we aren't even done with committees. The last note on HB 1424 was.
"Referred to the Committee on Ways and Means pursuant to House Rule 127"
brotherbill3
Master
Latest Version is UP on the IGA Site:
https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2018/bills/house/1424#document-49170086
Digest:
Handgun licenses. Increases the duration of a four year handgun license to five years. Requires a law enforcement officer to whom an application for a handgun license is made to perform a national, fingerprint based criminal history check and consult available local, state, and federal criminal history data banks, including the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), when determining whether possession of a firearm by an applicant would be a violation of state or federal law. Removes the fees for lifetime licenses beginning July 1, 2019.
OH - NEXT STOP - HOUSE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE ... perhaps it can get fixed there
HEARING DATE / TIME: JAN 29 (MON.) 10:30 AM ROOM 404.
Link to Committee:
https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2018/committees/ways_and_means_2200
https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2018/bills/house/1424#document-49170086
Digest:
Handgun licenses. Increases the duration of a four year handgun license to five years. Requires a law enforcement officer to whom an application for a handgun license is made to perform a national, fingerprint based criminal history check and consult available local, state, and federal criminal history data banks, including the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), when determining whether possession of a firearm by an applicant would be a violation of state or federal law. Removes the fees for lifetime licenses beginning July 1, 2019.
OH - NEXT STOP - HOUSE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE ... perhaps it can get fixed there
HEARING DATE / TIME: JAN 29 (MON.) 10:30 AM ROOM 404.
Link to Committee:
https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2018/committees/ways_and_means_2200
This was the plan all along. Remember the committee did not recommend constitutional carry, only to remove barriers. Also recall the legislative survey that asked about support for removing fees for carry licenses. They were never going to allow constitutional carry to see the light of day. They only tossed us these scraps to avoid an anti-gun image in an election year
If somebody runs against Bosma in the primary, we should put some money together and sponsor an add. Heck, we could sponsor whatever D running against him in the general election. We can afford to lose the seat, and it would probably be better for everyone.
And this jackwagon... "Bill author Rep. Timothy Wesco introduced Wednesday an amendment voiding his own bill at the start of the House Public Policy committee meeting, surprising the law enforcement officers who came to testify against the proposal due to safety concerns. "Forget the original bill," the Elkhart Republican said." Genius.
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emailed Bosma with this message:
Mr. Bosma,
While I am not a resident of your district, I am writing to you because of your position as Speaker of the Indiana House of Representatives. This year Representative Jim Lucas has introduced House Bill 1022. This bill would remove the requirement for law abiding residents of Indiana to obtained a License to Carry a Handgun as a prerequisite for carrying a handgun. I encourage you to bring this bill to a House vote as quickly as possible. The Indiana Constitution guarantees the right of all Hoosiers to keep and bear arms. It does not make exceptions to this guarantee and therefore, in my view Indiana's licensing laws are unconstitutional. However, obviously the public safety must be ensured. This bill would also ensure that prohibited persons which are already denied the right to carry and obtain a license would still be denied the right to carry. This denial would keep the already existing conditions under which the public and law enforcement are kept safe from prohibited persons. Obviously also criminals don't follow the law. Therefore, law enforcement must take special precautions and undergo special training to deal with such circumstances. This exists now and would exist still if HB1022 were passed into law.
Through the decades many state and federal laws have engaged in the latest gun control trends in attempts to reduce crime. They have had little effect and only made the law abiding more vulnerable. While Indiana has not participated in many of these trends, on the issue of gun licenses, Indiana has participated. It is time to return to our state's founding on this matter and return to this right guaranteed in the Indiana Constitution to all good Hoosiers. For not only does the right to keep and bear arms guarantee the individual a means to protect themselves and their families but it also encourages civic participation through awareness of the freedoms and liberties that all Americans enjoy.
Thank you
Mr. Bosma,
While I am not a resident of your district, I am writing to you because of your position as Speaker of the Indiana House of Representatives. This year Representative Jim Lucas has introduced House Bill 1022. This bill would remove the requirement for law abiding residents of Indiana to obtained a License to Carry a Handgun as a prerequisite for carrying a handgun. I encourage you to bring this bill to a House vote as quickly as possible. The Indiana Constitution guarantees the right of all Hoosiers to keep and bear arms. It does not make exceptions to this guarantee and therefore, in my view Indiana's licensing laws are unconstitutional. However, obviously the public safety must be ensured. This bill would also ensure that prohibited persons which are already denied the right to carry and obtain a license would still be denied the right to carry. This denial would keep the already existing conditions under which the public and law enforcement are kept safe from prohibited persons. Obviously also criminals don't follow the law. Therefore, law enforcement must take special precautions and undergo special training to deal with such circumstances. This exists now and would exist still if HB1022 were passed into law.
Through the decades many state and federal laws have engaged in the latest gun control trends in attempts to reduce crime. They have had little effect and only made the law abiding more vulnerable. While Indiana has not participated in many of these trends, on the issue of gun licenses, Indiana has participated. It is time to return to our state's founding on this matter and return to this right guaranteed in the Indiana Constitution to all good Hoosiers. For not only does the right to keep and bear arms guarantee the individual a means to protect themselves and their families but it also encourages civic participation through awareness of the freedoms and liberties that all Americans enjoy.
Thank you
I doubt the Ways and Means will mess with the policy part of the bill. They could however decide this would cost the state too much and torpedo it.
I do not have a lot of time to research this, and this is just a random thought, but. House Bill 1022 put into motion by Lucas was sent to summer study. From there it was decided to push it forward to a vote i believe. If that is the case doesn't the bill legally have to be voted on before it can be killed? Again i do not know politics, so i may be completely off base here. But it seems to me that they cant just legally ignore the bill at this point by claiming its dead without it being heard and actually voted on. thanks to anyone who can clarify this for me.
brotherbill3
Master
The summer study was in last years session and conducted over last summer / fall.
The conclusions are what led to Jim Lucas' HB 1022 - which was slightly different than previous versions.
HB 1424 (in ORIGINAL form) was very similar to HB 1022 - and was authored by other members ("ALLIES") on the study and public policy committee.
both 1022 and 1424 are in the house public policy committee. before a bill can be voted on (called "3rd reading" in Indiana state general assembly terms)
It must be reviewed and passed from the committee it is assigned to. Bill from the list assigned to a committee are decided upon by the chairman of the committee.
(there could be several on the same subject by different authors). ... In this case - the chair (Smaltz) helped write 1424 ... so 1022 will not be getting a hearing.
This is why we know 1022 is dead. Out of about 450 bills in each side (house/senate) - only a small portion typically pass committee and move forward.
This was OK because of the similarities; but then the switched 1424 up - so now it looks like, feels like and smells like - a bait and switch.
cause "the other bill was going to be fight and not a slam dunk" - bring on the fight I say.
brotherbill3
Master
Also - Video of the meeting is up and shared.
The whole thing on 1424 in just about / over an hour.
Starts at 36:40 on the video.
Archives - Indiana General Assembly, 2018 Session
Chrome seems to not want to play it (on the main computer).
there may be some sort of selection/ pull down -
Information
- - Videos
- - - - Select * House Standing
- - - - - - Pulldown to Public Policy
- - - - - - - - select Jan 24 meeting
Guy starts his info at 1:11 or so ...
The whole thing on 1424 in just about / over an hour.
Starts at 36:40 on the video.
Archives - Indiana General Assembly, 2018 Session
Chrome seems to not want to play it (on the main computer).
there may be some sort of selection/ pull down -
Information
- - Videos
- - - - Select * House Standing
- - - - - - Pulldown to Public Policy
- - - - - - - - select Jan 24 meeting
Guy starts his info at 1:11 or so ...
Let's say 1424 was never written. Let's say 1022 was the one that was heard in committee. If they'd tried that bait and switch, couldn't Jim have pulled his bill or tabled it or some other procedural move to keep the bait and switch from happening? I realize this likely would have killed the bill for this session but would have prevented the reinforcement of LTCH paradigm we have before us now. If I'm right or even close, this seems like it was the goal all along. Get the big wooden horse inside the city and then at the last minute... bypass Jim so the fix could be made.
brotherbill3
Master
Yes, he could (Pull / Table / Withdraw) if I recall thing correctly. I don't think the full swap out would have been approved done without the author's blessing;
BUT that's just perception probably. And if he did that, yes it would kill the bill.
Seems like they don't want to have to fight ... They want a slam dunk.
