Infrastructure Bill will Install Kill Switches In All New Cars

[Sigblitz]

It's your truck. Rip it out, reprogram it. It's not rocket surgery.

Like BMW wanting a monthly fee to keep the heated seats on. Battery, switch, coils.

 

[KittySlayer]

Years ago I helped an unfortunate boater pull his truck out of a lake where it had slid down and off the greasy boat ramp.

Another Tragic Boating Accident?

He probably had too many guns in his boat so the truck lost traction.

 

[Route 45]

Why AOC is right to be concerned about Biden’s vehicle ‘kill switch’ law - Washington Examiner

Opinion Why AOC is right to be concerned about Biden’s vehicle 'kill switch' law By Jon Miltimore November 13, 2023 02:38 PM Twitter LinkedIn Facebook Email Print Opinion Why AOC is right to be concerned about Biden’s vehicle 'kill switch' law By Jon Miltimore November 13, 2023 02:38 PM Twitter...

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[BugI02]

My bad. There's a middle ground between Chicken Little and Pollyanna. I try to live there.

No kill switch possible on bicycles, just sayin'

 

[oze]

Why AOC is right to be concerned about Biden’s vehicle ‘kill switch’ law - Washington Examiner

Opinion Why AOC is right to be concerned about Biden’s vehicle 'kill switch' law By Jon Miltimore November 13, 2023 02:38 PM Twitter LinkedIn Facebook Email Print Opinion Why AOC is right to be concerned about Biden’s vehicle 'kill switch' law By Jon Miltimore November 13, 2023 02:38 PM Twitter...

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He voted with Cortez? Does this make Massie a RINO?

 

[actaeon277]

No kill switch possible on bicycles, just sayin'

are you sure?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

No kill switch possible on bicycles, just sayin'

No need. A simple stick is all that's required.



Ouchie.

 

[oze]

Why AOC is right to be concerned about Biden’s vehicle ‘kill switch’ law - Washington Examiner

Opinion Why AOC is right to be concerned about Biden’s vehicle 'kill switch' law By Jon Miltimore November 13, 2023 02:38 PM Twitter LinkedIn Facebook Email Print Opinion Why AOC is right to be concerned about Biden’s vehicle 'kill switch' law By Jon Miltimore November 13, 2023 02:38 PM Twitter...

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RINO!!!

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Why AOC is right to be concerned about Biden’s vehicle ‘kill switch’ law - Washington Examiner

Opinion Why AOC is right to be concerned about Biden’s vehicle 'kill switch' law By Jon Miltimore November 13, 2023 02:38 PM Twitter LinkedIn Facebook Email Print Opinion Why AOC is right to be concerned about Biden’s vehicle 'kill switch' law By Jon Miltimore November 13, 2023 02:38 PM Twitter...

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When AOC is on my side, I really have to re-evaluate if I'm thinking correctly.

But, yeah, she's right on this one. Funny how little attention this continues to get when it's a very real threat.

 

[BugI02]

No need. A simple stick is all that's required.



Ouchie.

I'm disappointed you didn't use the scene from Breaking Away

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I'm disappointed you didn't use the scene from Breaking Away

I've no idea what that is. Sorry to dissappoint.

 

[indyblue]

From the Breaking Away film in B-Town. Italians being d**ks.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

From the Breaking Away film in B-Town. Italians being d**ks.

Ah. Yeah, never heard of it. Excellent demonstration of the bicycle kill switch, though less nefarious than the actual topic. At least this was a single human acting out of malice, not a benevolent overlord AI deciding you're too sleepy to safely drive home so it pulls over for you installed in every new vehicle.

 

[Tanfodude]

 

[BugI02]

I've no idea what that is. Sorry to dissappoint.

Its a movie about racing bicycles set in Indiana. The scene I had in mind was where the working class kid works hard to excel, Idolizes the Italian National team. I think they ride in a race as a demonstration, kid is able to keep up with them which is too much of a potential embarrassment. Kid pulls along side his idol to talk and that rider shoves a frame pump through the spokes of his wheel and wrecks him

 

[smokingman]

It's your truck. Rip it out, reprogram it. It's not rocket surgery.

Like BMW wanting a monthly fee to keep the heated seats on. Battery, switch, coils.

how long before they regulate that to make it illegal?

The kill switch would be an open program that would allow government and law enforcement access to do whatever they want with your vehicle. To do such things, they may not even require a warrant!

What’s troublesome with such technology, or any other technology connected to the internet, is the fact that it is vulnerable to threats and hackers. A hacker could easily access the vehicle and turn it off in a dangerous location.

Installing kill switches and giving law enforcement access is a violation of Americans’ privacy rights. There is no legislation that defines “impaired driving,” which means that the term is open to interpretation by the Department of Transportation (DoT) and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).

Under the details of the bill, the NHTSA has three years to research and define what technologies they wish to see in vehicles. Once they decide on the technologies, automakers will have two to three years to comply with the recommendations presented by the NHTSA.

We agree that the law does not clearly state what others are claiming but isn’t giving NHTSA, a government agency, the power to decide and recommend technologies according to their wishes.

For example, the law requires NHTSA to specify technology that would monitor a driver’s blood alcohol concentration and prevent or limit motor vehicle operation if the driver is impaired. But what’s stopping NHTSA from violating an American citizen’s privacy?

Law Installs Kill Switches in All New Cars: Legal Way of Privacy Invasion?

Law Installs Kill Switches in All New Cars: Legal Way of Privacy Invasion? Only Trudeau would be more thrilled about this law than Communist China. Let's see why

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[rosejm]

I don't like the intrusion/overreach.
I don't like the vagueness of the "law" and how it's implemented / what is required.
I don't like transferring power to another administrative branch of .gov.
I don't like the potential security risks this implies.


But... if it gets just one drunk driver texting soccer mom to keep their eyes on the road, that's a win for The People.



This is going to be applied to commercial trucks too, right? RIGHT?!?

 

[Leadeye]

I would imagine kill switch legal problems will be solved by leadership with the simple reminder that you have no "right" to use the roads. A change in the documentation for driver's licenses will cover it if required.

Voting out the people driving this bus is the only way to stop it.

 

[Quiet Observer]

I think that the privacy argument is weak.
The vehicle is being operated on a public through fare in the vast majority of cases, not on private land.
The license plate identifies the owner to the police. In most, but not all, cases that is the driver.
The police already have the authority to pull over a vehicle for violating traffic laws or being involved in suspicious activity.
They can use spike strips now to stop the vehicle. The strips can be fabricated by criminals.

Factors like cost and reliability factor in. How much will it add to the cost of a new vehicle? What would be the cost of the equipment to the police, and to the taxpayers? I would think that it would slow down and stop the vehicle, not suddenly slam on the breaks. Hopefully, it would only stop a single vehicle, and not 10 others near it.
If my car was stolen, I would not want it to be severely damaged in a high-speed crash.
I would not want to be involved in a high-speed crash with someone running from the police.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

how long before they regulate that to make it illegal?

The kill switch would be an open program that would allow government and law enforcement access to do whatever they want with your vehicle. To do such things, they may not even require a warrant!

This isn't some remote kill switch to end pursuits. It's actually worse. It's the *machine* deciding you don't need to be driving.

I think that the privacy argument is weak.
The vehicle is being operated on a public through fare in the vast majority of cases, not on private land.
The license plate identifies the owner to the police. In most, but not all, cases that is the driver.

That's not the privacy argument. The privacy argument is that it watches your face and makes determinations on if it thinks you are intoxicated, or even just too sleepy, and then stops you from driving based on that. A human officer who thinks you are drunk may stop you, but then investigates further. How does the machine investigate further? What if you get stung by a bee and swell up so it thinks your eyes are closed more than normal? You can't drive?