Is Jared Fogel from Subway fame dead?

[JeremiahJohnson]

Just possession of child porn is all he's admitting to, right?

Report: Subway spokesman Jared Fogle to accept plea deal on charges of possessing child porn | Fox News

 

[Clay]

and he's getting fat again.......

 

[funeralweb]

Unfortunately, no. Just a little lighter in the wallet and less free for the next decade.

 

[lovemachine]

and he's getting fat again.......

Swallowing foot longs can do that...

 

[HoughMade]

Swallowing foot longs can do that...

I see what you did there, but it doesn't fit with the allegations well enough to be as effective as I'm sure you want it to be. Back to the joke workshop.

 

[lovemachine]

I see what you did there, but it doesn't fit with the allegations well enough to be as effective as I'm sure you want it to be. Back to the joke workshop.

I tried

 

[Libertarian01]

Please everyone remember, just because someone is pleading something out doesn't necessarily mean the worst about them.

Example: My father once paid $300 for stealing a toilet we did not steal. My father owned his own insurance agency and he bought another insurance agency, along with renting the building, from WW, who had bought the agency and the building from WD. WD and WW were engaged in a series of lawsuits between the both of them.

At one point WD, the original owner of the building, sued my father for stealing a toilet in a back room. WD was what could be called a vexatious litigant. He would sue anyone for anything. He had nothing better to do in his retirement. When we first moved in, unbeknownst to WD, my father took several pictures of every room. We had physical evidence there wasn't even a toilet in the room when we first moved in. It had been capped years ago.

Nevertheless, my father agreed to pay WD the $300 to end this and ALL FUTURE lawsuits, because WD was talking to his attorney about suing over something else petty. My father never did a damn thing wrong to WD or his precious building, but to avoid potentially thousands of dollars in legal fees and who knows how many hours preparing for stupid lawsuits in the future he decided to throw WD a bone, which is what he wanted. Sometimes prudence dictates swallowing a very bitter pill to move on with life.

I don't know the first thing about Mr. Fogel or his issues here. What I do know is that a collection of extremely bad looking circumstantial evidence could compel someone to cut a deal who has done nothing wrong, but knows that it could easily look the other way, to plead to a lesser charge just to move on. Pleading out doesn't mean the original crime, or any crime, was ever committed. Of course, sometimes it does. We may never know the whole truth.

Regards,

Doug

 

[Peter Potamus]

Jared Fogle to plead guilty to child porn, sex with minors

Whoa.....this boy has more sicko problems than we thought. The time frame for this puts it just after he married his 2nd wife. Can't imagine why she's still there.....

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I guess he likes his meatballs really small,, news just said he traveled to NY for sex with a 6 yr old.

Maybe a typo? Looks like 16, not 6.

Supposedly the charging information obtained by TMZ: http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0819-jared-fogle-allegations-tmz.pdf

 

[mrjarrell]

Here are the charging documents. Looks like they're all federal and his assignations took place in NYC.

Fogle Charging Information

 

[IndyDave1776]

Doug, you have raised an excellent point. One of the more troubling aspects of the sorry state of our nation is that it is often easier both on a person and on his pocket to take a hit than to actually establish the truth. Just look at how many people are extorted into plea bargains by the incomprehensible situation we have in which a prosecutor can take the same basic crime and charge it under 16 different laws and somehow this isn't double (or greater multiple) jeopardy since it is under a different law rather than being over a different alleged offense. This then leads to your choice between going for broke with the truth and risking losing and being in prison until the second coming of Christ or taking a bargain, spending a few years in the clink, being demoted to second-class citizenship, but not risking spending the rest of your natural life in prison. Anyone else would face extortion charges for doing something like this.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I'm assuming federal charges, but it illegal under state law too. Under federal law, he has to allocute meaning he has to admit to the essential elements of the charge. Don't know under state law, but i assume basically the same.

Under federal law, the sentencing guidelines are very stiff on this.

Nice choice of words.

 

[17 squirrel]

Please everyone remember, just because someone is pleading something out doesn't necessarily mean the worst about them.

Example: My father once paid $300 for stealing a toilet we did not steal. My father owned his own insurance agency and he bought another insurance agency, along with renting the building, from WW, who had bought the agency and the building from WD. WD and WW were engaged in a series of lawsuits between the both of them.

At one point WD, the original owner of the building, sued my father for stealing a toilet in a back room. WD was what could be called a vexatious litigant. He would sue anyone for anything. He had nothing better to do in his retirement. When we first moved in, unbeknownst to WD, my father took several pictures of every room. We had physical evidence there wasn't even a toilet in the room when we first moved in. It had been capped years ago.

Nevertheless, my father agreed to pay WD the $300 to end this and ALL FUTURE lawsuits, because WD was talking to his attorney about suing over something else petty. My father never did a damn thing wrong to WD or his precious building, but to avoid potentially thousands of dollars in legal fees and who knows how many hours preparing for stupid lawsuits in the future he decided to throw WD a bone, which is what he wanted. Sometimes prudence dictates swallowing a very bitter pill to move on with life.

I don't know the first thing about Mr. Fogel or his issues here. What I do know is that a collection of extremely bad looking circumstantial evidence could compel someone to cut a deal who has done nothing wrong, but knows that it could easily look the other way, to plead to a lesser charge just to move on. Pleading out doesn't mean the original crime, or any crime, was ever committed. Of course, sometimes it does. We may never know the whole truth.

Regards,

Doug

Yea how about he is paying restitution to 13 minors 100 grand each, for starters. Having and distribution of child porn. Sex with multiple minors....
And on and on.. He's guilty.

 

[HoughMade]

If he pleads guilty to a federal child porn charge, I assure you, he did something bad. The sentences for this are no walk in the park (usually starting at around 10 years and going up from there, but with a 5 year mandatory minimum). I can't speak for Fogel, but if he is innocent and pleading to get this over with, he and his attorney are idiots. I simply don't believe that would happen, not with these types of charges. More likely, he could possibly be on the hook for multiples or even worse things and this is a way to see daylight before he is eligible for Social Security.

For instance, as I mentioned, possession has a mandatory minimum of 5 years for a first offense, but if you engage with the child to produce it, or entice a child to do so, it jumps to 15 years MINIMUM. If he went out (virtually) looking for the stuff and produced a "notice or advertisement" of what he was looking for, again, 15 years for the first offense. Don't forget, in the federal system you have to serve 85% of the time and there are very limited ways to get the sentence reduced (though supervised release is frequently used with nonviolent offenders)

Finally, a plea deal may not guarantee anything. I represented a client civilly who had federal criminal charges and the judge rejected the original plea deal as too lenient. After another plea, he ended up with a sentence of nearly twice as much time. Also, there's the case of Jack Schaap who took a 16 year old over state lines for sex and reached a plea deal of "not more than" 10 years with prosecutors, but the judge rejected that and sentenced him to 12 years.

This is a far different thing from civil litigation where people frequently pay to avoid paying more than the settlement to prove they were not liable.

 

[LEaSH]

It doesn't look good at all.

Most likely guilty of some if not all the accusations.

But there will be a trial and then truths will be on record. Maybe sealed, maybe not.


The idiot was an INDIANA CELEBRITY for God's sake. Isn't that just embarrassing enough that a fat **** working for fast food corp is such a popular draw? And the spectre of kiddy porn now? ****ed up to say the least.

At a charity auction/dinner I sat at a table near him and his 'entourage' several years ago. I don't know if his foundation manager was there or not. They were pretty much all nerdy arrogant types that acted like kardashians or some sort of wanna-bees. Someone asked me knew who we were sitting next to, I responded that I did and that I was embarrassed for us all. Scowls and frowns all around... Such a bunch of pansies. Where do these guys come from?

 

[HoughMade]

...Where do these guys come from?

Indianapolis.

Sorry.

 

[17 squirrel]

Maybe a typo? Looks like 16, not 6.

Supposedly the charging information obtained by TMZ: http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0819-jared-fogle-allegations-tmz.pdf

Ex-Subway pitchman Jared Fogle to plead guilty to paying for sex with minors.

Jared Fogle walks to a waiting car as he leaves his home in July. FBI agents and Indiana State Police removed electronics from the property. (Michael Conroy/AP file)
Jared Fogle, who for years served as the national spokesman for the sandwich chain Subway, is facing federal charges that he paid to engage in sexually explicit acts with children and that he received and distributed child pornography, according to federal documents.

Fogle, 37, is expected to plead guilty to the charges. He will also pay $1.4 million to 14 victims in restitution for counseling, support, treatment, or other assistance related to their victimization.

According to court documents released Wednesday by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Indianapolis, Fogle used Web sites to solicit commercial sex and traveled to engage in sexual acts with minors from 2007 until June 2015.

The documents also allege that Fogle received images and videos of nude children from the former executive director of Fogle’s childhood obesity charity, Russell Taylor. Taylor also distributed pornographic images of children who were as young as 6 to Fogle, the documents allege.

Agents from the FBI’s Indianapolis field office processed Fogle on Wednesday morning, Special Agent Wendy Osborne told The Washington Post. Fogle was finger-printed, photographed and escorted to the federal courthouse, where he was scheduled for an initial appearance later in the day — weeks after his home was raided by investigators.

 

[Dead Duck]

OK-
He must die!

 

[HoughMade]

Here are the charging documents. Looks like they're all federal and his assignations took place in NYC.

Fogle Charging Information

The charges in there, some invoke the 15 year mandatory minimum, which was probably used to leverage him to plead guilty to something either without a minimum or with a 5 year. We'll have to see what the judge does, but if there is sound evidence backing up the information, then the judge will not allow a plea deal that does not have significant prison time...I predict.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

OK-
He must die!

A bit harsh.