Is Jared Fogel from Subway fame dead?

[BehindBlueI's]

I guess he likes his meatballs really small,, news just said he traveled to NY for sex with a 6 yr old.

Maybe a typo? Looks like 16, not 6.

Supposedly the charging information obtained by TMZ: http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0819-jared-fogle-allegations-tmz.pdf

The documents also allege that Fogle received images and videos of nude children from the former executive director of Fogle’s childhood obesity charity, Russell Taylor. Taylor also distributed pornographic images of children who were as young as 6 to Fogle, the documents allege.

Right, but you're conflating the two. Per the documents he traveled to NY to have sex with underage prostitutes who were 17 and tried to solicit for 16 or younger. He didn't solicit 6 year olds. That was photos from his buddy.

Jared pooped the bed either way, but at this point there's no proof or accusation he diddled a pre-pubescent.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

The media says she has figured it out; Mrs. Fogle to file for divorce.

Insert 6" joke here.

 

[mrjarrell]

Right, but you're conflating the two. Per the documents he traveled to NY to have sex with underage prostitutes who were 17 and tried to solicit for 16 or younger. He didn't solicit 6 year olds. That was photos from his buddy.

Jared pooped the bed either way, but at this point there's no proof or accusation he diddled a pre-pubescent.

This is how I read it, too. If he had stayed here in Indiana and had relations with the 17 year old, (without the photographs the girl sent and porn his buddy sent him) he'd be walking away Scott free, in all likelihood. Probably still be getting divorced, but not going to jail. The state lines and interstate sending of the pictures is what got him on the NYC stuff. The CP from his buddy is what really did him in and he's going to walk the plank for it.

 

[HoughMade]

Insert 6" joke here.

That's what she​ said.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

Insert 6" joke here.

Jarrod's new tat:

 

[HoughMade]

This is how I read it, too. If he had stayed here in Indiana and had relations with the 17 year old, (without the photographs the girl sent and porn his buddy sent him) he'd be walking away Scott free....

If they have the evidence of the child porn possession and distribution that is alleged in the Information,....the only walking he would be doing is the perp walk. The allegation is that he was more than just a passive receiver of unwanted videos....way more.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

That's what she​ said.

I must spread the rep around before offering kind gratitude for your blinding wit sir!

 

[mrjarrell]

If they have the evidence of the child porn possession and distribution that is alleged in the Information,....the only walking he would be doing is the perp walk. The allegation is that he was more than just a passive receiver of unwanted videos....way more.

That's why I said without that particular aspect.

 

[17 squirrel]

 

[17 squirrel]

Right, but you're conflating the two. Per the documents he traveled to NY to have sex with underage prostitutes who were 17 and tried to solicit for 16 or younger. He didn't solicit 6 year olds. That was photos from his buddy.

Jared pooped the bed either way, but at this point there's no proof or accusation he diddled a pre-pubescent.

Yes you are correct.. I mixed them up..

It makes not much difference, he had a couple of PCs, a few laptops, half a dozen thumb drives, I thought a few thou CDs and dvd's and I don't recall what else they said.

 

[LEaSH]

Look, if a guy has a preexisting prurient interest, then the boner drone shows up....

I'm just saying that there may be more fault to spread around.

Well, I'm not certain, but I doubt sexual deviancy(of all sorts) was invented here. No doubt it is a popular hobby.

And what is the boner drone?

 

[HoughMade]

His wife is filing for divorce. His lawyers agreed not to ask for less than 5 years. The Feds agreed not to ask for more than 12 years. If one of those girls was my daughter I would have agreed to not use more than 12 rounds.

Now, it's up to whether the judge thinks something in that range is appropriate. Not asking under 5 was kind of a no brainer because that's the statutory minimum of many of the charges.

[edit]

Wowzers- reading the plea agreement now. While the prosecutor agreed to not ask for more than 151 months (12 years, 7 months), the potention range is 60 to 360 months (30 years) and the plea deal acknowledges that the Court has discretion to sentence within that range, not the agreed upon range.

The Defendant understands that if the Court decides to impose a sentence higher or lower than the recommendation of either party,..., then the Defendant will not be permitted to withdraw this plea of guilty for that reason and will be bound by this plea of guilty.

In addition to the $1.4 mil restitution, the issue of a fine is left open and he will be forfeiting $50,000 in lieu of specific items of property.

If you read the Information linked above, you've seen the facts that he admitted to. It's essentially cut and paste. The plea deal leaves open further charges for other victims or other acts that are not specifically charged.

 

[Stickfight]

I didn't follow much of this story and just assumed the raid on his house was to collect evidence on the guy he hired to run his foundation, but this guy is hosed now. Amazing that someone who'd more or less lucked into a nice comfortable life would risk having it turned into what will no doubt be a painful, difficult one.

 

[Alpo]

Maybe that's why some of these "men" head to the Dominican Republic or Thailand.

Too bad. Icarus got too close to the sun.

 

[Denny347]

I don't know the first thing about Mr. Fogel or his issues here. What I do know is that a collection of extremely bad looking circumstantial evidence could compel someone to cut a deal who has done nothing wrong, but knows that it could easily look the other way, to plead to a lesser charge just to move on. Pleading out doesn't mean the original crime, or any crime, was ever committed. Of course, sometimes it does. We may never know the whole truth.

Regards,

Doug

So, a person pleading guilty to a crime and we must still refer to him as the "accused" and not the "criminal"? Look I understand what you are trying to say, I tell people I am arresting all the time, "Just because I have PC does not mean you are guilty." Generally to help calm the situation down. However, if that same arrestee pleads guilty in court, I will refer to him as a convicted "what ever the charge". I will not automatically assume that a person pleading guilty was an innocent forced to plea unless there is compelling evidence to think so. When Jared pleads guilty (and why would you ever VOLUNTEER to become a sex offender) he becomes a convicted child molester.

 

[HoughMade]

So, a person pleading guilty to a crime and we must still refer to him as the "accused" and not the "criminal"? Look I understand what you are trying to say, I tell people I am arresting all the time, "Just because I have PC does not mean you are guilty." Generally to help calm the situation down. However, if that same arrestee pleads guilty in court, I will refer to him as a convicted "what ever the charge". I will not automatically assume that a person pleading guilty was an innocent forced to plea unless there is compelling evidence to think so. When Jared pleads guilty (and why would you ever VOLUNTEER to become a sex offender) he becomes a convicted child molester.

On this site, I have campaigned long an hard for the presumption of innocence and against the rush to judgment....but I've read the plea agreement and have seen exactly what he is admitting to. He has admitted to being a criminal, so calling him that is perfectly appropriate. He has the means to fight a false charge, but has chosen to ADMIT to these things. That tells me all I need to know, ESPECIALLY when he stands to sit in federal prison for at least 5 years and maybe 30. That tells me that it would only go worse for him if he forced a trial.

 

[Denny347]

On this site, I have campaigned long an hard for the presumption of innocence and against the rush to judgment....but I've read the plea agreement and have seen exactly what he is admitting to. He has admitted to being a criminal, so calling him that is perfectly appropriate. He has the means to fight a false charge, but has chosen to ADMIT to these things. That tells me all I need to know, ESPECIALLY when he stands to sit in federal prison for at least 5 years and maybe 30. That tells me that it would only go worse for him if he forced a trial.

Yeah, I read that as well...bad bad bad.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

the plea deal leaves open further charges for other victims or other acts that are not specifically charged.

I just hate that provision, just hate it down to my soul. That's just the worst.

 

[Peter Potamus]

The U.S. District Attorney says that Jared was still actively seeking sex with minors even after Taylor was arrested. Must have been addicted.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

My, my. Look at the press conference. The United States Attorney really does them well.