Joe Hogsett considering Indianapolis mayoral run, cites violence as reason

[Destro]

Do you consider working there for five days within express intention to leave to go back to politics to be "holding down a job"?

I don't think he's the first person to take a job someplace with an desire to work somewhere else.

 

[Fargo]

I don't think he's the first person to take a job someplace with an desire to work somewhere else.

But that's not the question.

 

[Destro]

But that's not the question.

Yes, I would call that "holding down a job", regardless of how he got it or how long he decides to work there.

 

[indyjohn]

This morning I heard Hogsett say on the news that he was frustrated with the increase in the murder rate in Indianapolis. Not two weeks ago, I was told the murder rate in Indianapolis is down.

Who's lying?

 

[Fargo]

Yes, I would call that "holding down a job", regardless of how he got it or how long he decides to work there.

Would you agree that's a rather expansive definition, considering that he likely hasn't even done any actual work there yet?

 

[Destro]

This morning I heard Hogsett say on the news that he was frustrated with the increase in the murder rate in Indianapolis. Not two weeks ago, I was told the murder rate in Indianapolis is down.

Who's lying?

This is what I found looking for murder rate info

Indianapolis Murder Outbreak Double Number In Chicago « CBS Chicago

 

[4sarge]

So being a partner at Bose McKinney & Evans isn't a "real" job? Kirk, I always thought B M & E was one of the top firms in the area, is Joe now slumming it?

YES, it is, it's Political Bone and I'm so glad that You do not Vote in Indiana

 

[indyjohn]

This is what I found looking for murder rate info

Indianapolis Murder Outbreak Double Number In Chicago « CBS Chicago

Wish I had paid attention to where I heard that. I can't find it anywhere either. Must've been a spin on the math.

 

[Destro]

YES, it is, it's Political Bone and I'm so glad that You do not Vote in Indiana

Why do you think I don't vote in Indiana?

 

[Destro]

Would you agree that's a rather expansive definition, considering that he likely hasn't even done any actual work there yet?

no

 

[Hotdoger]

Mickey Mouse votes so why not Destro?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

So being a partner at Bose McKinney & Evans isn't a "real" job? Kirk, I always thought B M & E was one of the top firms in the area, is Joe now slumming it?

BME is a large white shoe firm downtown Indy, "power player" is the term you need.

 

[Waveraider]

This is what I found looking for murder rate info

Indianapolis Murder Outbreak Double Number In Chicago « CBS Chicago

Chicago has recorded a total of four homicides since Friday.
As many as eight people were murdered in Indy over the same time period.

This Article was written back in Aprl for less than a 1 week period. Are you forgetting about the July 4th weekend in Chicago that was a Blood Bath? Sounds like Chicago spin to me.

 

[Destro]

Mickey Mouse votes so why not Destro?

I vote as many times as I can each election

 

[Destro]

Wish I had paid attention to where I heard that. I can't find it anywhere either. Must've been a spin on the math.

Was it this?

Riggs: Homicides up, but not all crimes - TheIndyChannel.com

 

[indyjohn]

Was it this?

Riggs: Homicides up, but not all crimes - TheIndyChannel.com

Yes. Exactly. Right source at the time I recalled.

I really hated Statistics class in college.

 

[HICKMAN]

I love all of my metro boys in blue, but it doesn't matter who the mayor is when it come to the crime problem up there.

You could double the salary of every LEO and hire a ton more... it's not going to cure the cancer of those crime ridden areas... that issue is much deeper.

 

[sj kahr k40]

According to this website we had exactly 87 homicides last year on 8/3/13

same number we have this year

Homicide List

 

[bwframe]

Sounds like a lot of you are too young to remember the Bayh, O'Bannon, Hogsett, Petersen erra? Or the years it took the state/city to recover from that liberal administrative/financial nightmare?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

How would Joe Hoggsett be worse than Ballard? For one thing, he's a Democrat. That means he'll give lip service to Public Safety while failing to put a muzzle on City-County Council spending, hastening our devolution to Detroit status. I'm not as fond of Ballard as I used to be and I don't agree with some of the ways he's spent money, but I don't think IMPD needs to emulate Chicago PD or NYPD in numbers, either. Much as I like you guys, having more cops than required to equalize losses to retirement/resignations isn't going to solve our crime problems; those are cultural and systemic problems. While I don't want to pay for any more stadia or bike lanes or electric cars, neither do I want to pay for more cops in the county.

Ballard is all lip service, too. Unless you think day care for 4 year olds is really a public safety issue. He's more than willing to spend money on his own pet projects. The amount of waste for the ROC is a good place to start, as well as the whole Frank Straub debacle and all the money he wasted on useless staff, office renovation, etc. etc.

We aren't even keeping pace with retirements and other attrition. There is no area of the city that has as many patrol officers today as it had before the merger. I would guess there are few areas under the old County beats that have the same or more coverage, either. Areas that used to run 4-6 officers now run half that. Population doesn't stand still, and places like Franklin township aren't just cow pastures any longer.

More cops isn't the whole answer, but its absolutely part of the solution. Fewer patrol officers equals fewer apprehensions. Shortages on the street equal shortages in Investigations, as slots can't be filled because the street is running at minimum. 4 detectives working where 7 used to, and with a higher case load = a lower clearance rate AND burn out as guys get fed up with the conditions and pressure and start shutting down and/or moving on.