John Lennon's Communist Anthem

[ruger17hmr]

Pretty much the entire rest of the music critic world is going to disagree with you on that.

Wasting your life fretting about subliminal pro-communism hints being transmitted via song lyrics ranks up there with watching grass grow on the productivity scale.

What a statement! You made my day!

 

[JR50]

Rambone,
Maslow's Heirachry Of Needs, as you displayed, has been fully discredited.
Lennon was, of course, off bubble!

 

[EchoEchoEcho]

Maslow's Heirachry Of Needs, as you displayed, has been fully discredited.

By who?

 

[rambone]

Commie Pillow Talk

Someone pointed this interview out in a previous post, and after reading it I am further convinced. Although I was pretty convinced before I read it as well. Read for yourselves guys.

John Lennon and Yoko Ono interview

Power to the People: The Lost John Lennon Interview 1971 Kasama

On the version released as a single I said ‘when you talk about destruction you can count me out’. I didn’t want to get killed. I didn’t really know that much about the Maoists, but I just knew that they seemed to be so few and yet they painted themselves green and stood in front of the police waiting to get picked off. I just thought it was unsubtle, you know. I thought the original Communist revolutionaries coordinated themselves a bit better and didn’t go around shouting about it.

That was how I felt – I was really asking a question. As someone from the working class I was always interested in Russia and China and everything that related to the working class, even though I was playing the capitalist game.

At one time I was so much involved in the religious ******** that I used to go around calling myself a Christian Communist, but as Janov says, religion is legalised madness. It was therapy that stripped away all that and made me feel my own pain.

He wasn't a shy commie either.

JL: It seems that all revolutions end up with a personality cult – even the Chinese seem to need a father-figure. I expect this happens in Cuba too, with Che and Fidel. In Western-style Communism we would have to create an almost imaginary workers’ image of themselves as the father-figure.

RB: That’s a pretty cool idea – the Working Class becomes its own Hero. As long as it was not a new comforting illusion, as long as there was a real workers’ power. If a capitalist or bureaucrat is running your life then you need to compensate with illusions.

YO: The people have got to trust in themselves.

TA: That’s the vital point. The working class must be instilled with a feeling of confidence in itself. This can’t be done just by propaganda – the workers must move, take over their own factories and tell the capitalists to bugger off. This is what began to happen in May 1968 in France…the workers began to feel their own strength.

JL: But the Communist Party wasn’t up to that, was it?

RB: No, they weren’t. With 10 million workers on strike they could have led one of those huge demonstrations that occurred in the centre of Paris into a massive occupation of all government buildings and installations, replacing de Gaulle with a new institution of popular power like the Commune or the original Soviets – that would have begun a real revolution but the French C.P. was scared of it. They preferred to deal at the top instead of encouraging the workers to take the initiative themselves…

JL: Great, but there’s a problem about that here you know. All the revolutions have happened when a Fidel or Marx or Lenin or whatever, who were intellectuals, were able to get through to the workers. They got a good pocket of people together and the workers seemed to understand that they were in a repressed state. They haven’t woken up yet here, they still believe that cars and tellies are the answer. You should get these left-wing students out to talk with the workers, you should get the school-kids involved with The Red Mole.

Intellectual indeed...

RB: It may be true that we live in the Inch of difference between Labour and Conservative but so long as we do we’ll be impotent and unable to change anything. If Heath is forcing us out of that inch maybe he’s doing us a good turn without meaning to…

JL: Yes, I’ve thought about that, too. This putting us in a corner so we have to find out what is coming down on other people. I keep on reading the Morning Star [the Communist newspaper] to see if there’s any hope, but it seems to be in the 19th century; it seems to be written for dropped-out, middle-aged liberals.

Interesting choice of reading material for a dreamer...

TA: How do you think we can destroy the capitalist system here in Britain, John?

JL: I think only by making the workers aware of the really unhappy position they are in, breaking the dream they are surrounded by. They think they are in a wonderful, free-speaking country. They’ve got cars and tellies and they don’t want to think there’s anything more to life. They are prepared to let the bosses run them, to see their children ****ed up in school. They’re dreaming someone else’s dream, it’s not even their own. They should realise that the blacks and the Irish are being harassed and repressed and that they will be next.

As soon as they start being aware of all that, we can really begin to do something. The workers can start to take over. Like Marx said: ‘To each according to his need’. I think that would work well here. But we’d also have to infiltrate the army too, because they are well trained to kill us all.
We’ve got to start all this from where we ourselves are oppressed. I think it’s false, shallow, to be giving to others when your own need is great. The idea is not to comfort people, not to make them feel better but to make them feel worse, to constantly put before them the degradations and humiliations they go through to get what they call a living wage.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury... I rest my case. My grandpa spent his life fighting the spread of communism in America. There is no doubt in my mind the evils of the flawed philosophy. As a student of history I see that every country that believes in communism also believes in control of its people. Liberty does not exist in Communist countries. Communism is what Communism does. God Bless America, and bless our Freedom.

 

[Jack Ryan]

The guy's been dead for 29 frigging years and you are still worried about him?

What's the matter? All the hoodoo wear off yer Bill Clinton doll?

John Lennon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Right wing, left wing, commie, socialist, facist all that name calling crap and digging up dead horses to beat, flags to drape themselves in is nothing but a bunch of political elitist crap to keep the worker bees occupied turning out widgets. Scared to death and just happy to have a "job".

Take a slave out of the cotton fields and hand him a nickle. Tell him to now get out of the house and off the plantation when he's not picking cotton and feed and cloth his own self.

Then you've got exactly where this country is going.

 

[JR50]

Echo3
Not trying to hijack a thread, but.... here's one source that summarizes why Maslow was close but didn't win the proverbial cigar:
Leading and managing people in education - Google Books

 

[rambone]

Maslow, not Marx

Rambone,
Maslow's Heirachry Of Needs, as you displayed, has been fully discredited.
Lennon was, of course, off bubble!

Interestingly enough, I was trying to discredit Communism via Maslow. I said the utopia of Communism requires us to ignore the whole Safety Tier of Maslow's Hierarchy. Which in my mind, is silly.

The Safety Tier of Maslow's Hierarchy encompasses security of body, family, resources, health, property, employment. It cannot be ignored, except by those that presume the Almighty Government will take care of all those personal concerns for them. The Goverment will feed them, clothe them, heal them, raise their kids, and of course, enslave them. No need to prepare for tomorrow because they live for today. No need to own a gun because the dreamers assume their government will protect them. Not to mention the lack of the right to own anything, let alone something that that could be used to challenge their masters. The only people who can sanely ignore the Safety Tier of Maslow's Hierarchy are slaves.

Can I get an Amen?

 

[JR50]

Rambone,
I'd say self-actualization would also be impossible.