Well that is encouraging to hear, maybe I will have to get one after all. I would be satisfied with a 2" group at 10 yards.The p17 has been more reliable than a ruger mark 3 and 4 I have tried, and it will shoot a greater variety of ammo. For accuracy, I don't know how good you are, but the gun is able to do 2" groups at 10 yards if you are patient.