Kim Jong-un orders country to be ready to use nuclear weapons "at any time"

[w_ADAM_d88]

Breaking news... not much info yet.
South Korea says North Korea fired unidentified missile from its capital, Pyongyang | FOX59

 

[Sylvain]

North Korea 'fires missile from Pyongyang' - BBC News

 

[1911ly]

Short man is at it again. Just crazy.

When will enough be enough of this crap? Maybe when one of these stupid things veers off course in to a populated area? Either intentionally or unintentionally.

 

[bobzilla]

I often wonder (ok, occasionally wonder) how much different the world would be if Truman would have given McArthur free rein to march back to the Yalu river? Would the Chinese have kept pushing? Or would they have realized that they couldn't sustain that level of losses for all that long before even their large population would have either been depleted or rebelled. I think we would be seeing a much different China than we see today.

 

[Sylvain]

Short man is at it again. Just crazy.

When will enough be enough of this crap? Maybe when one of these stupid things veers off course in to a populated area? Either intentionally or unintentionally.

Maybe when they fire a missile over US terriroty like Guam there will be a different response.
So far people have just "very strongly condemned" the tests.

So far the DPRK launched their missiles into international waters but this is the second one they fire over Japan (I think).
How can Japan not see this as an act of war and respond accordingly?
If someone draws a gun and fires a few times above your head you don't ignore it until he fires directly at you.

 

[Leadeye]

Getting the US to launch an intercept on a test missile may be part of the game. Lots of other folks in world would like to know how well that system works when it's real.

 

[Savage300]

I'm still waiting on this guy to **** or get off the pot.I'm torn tho.....Nuclear winter and the Mad Max postr apocoliptic wasteland where liberals would be hunted likme rabbits. However fastfood, videogames and internet porn have there place

 

[Kutnupe14]

Getting the US to launch an intercept on a test missile may be part of the game. Lots of other folks in world would like to know how well that system works when it's real.

That's a REALLY good point. I hadn't considered that. The idea of the capability probably has dissuaded a lot of other stuff. It makes sense that enemy nations would like to see it deployed in an uncontrolled environment, to see how reliable it really is.

 

[SSGSAD]

Getting the US to launch an intercept on a test missile may be part of the game. Lots of other folks in world would like to know how well that system works when it's real.

Japan, said they have one "ready" .....

 

[JAL]

Getting the US to launch an intercept on a test missile may be part of the game. Lots of other folks in world would like to know how well that system works when it's real.

Exactly.

Operation El Dorado Canyon in 1986 used some methods to defeat Libya's air defenses with which (then) their full capabilities hadn't been revealed before (retaliation for a night club bombing in West Berlin that caused 3 KIA + 230 WIA). The Soviets were in Libya immediately afterward investigating how we had so effectively punched out his lights. They had made his air defense systems. During Desert Storm a number of capabilities were revealed that surprised several countries, and not all of them were USAF. The US Army had a few cards up its sleeve too. The decision to use them was a conscious one.

I've personally witnessed consideration given at 3-star corps command level (one echelon up from division) about what may be revealed about the full capabilities of a weapon system, and the potential consequences of it. There have been occasions when use of a weapon system is done in a manner that conceals the extent of its full capabilities.

Our ABM capabilities have never been completely revealed. Keeping them secret has some value against China and Russia. Eventually, like El Dorado Canyon and Desert Storm, DPRK's actions will cross the threshold in which the value in using them outweighs the value in continuing to conceal their capabilities. I've little doubt there is discussion within the NSC about when, where, how and under what conditions to use our ABM systems. That time is coming soon, very soon.

John

 

[T.Lex]

I've personally witnessed consideration given at 3-star corps command level (one echelon up from division) about what may be revealed about the full capabilities of a weapon system, and the potential consequences of it. There have been occasions when use of a weapon system is done in a manner that conceals the extent of its full capabilities.

Like a stealth "fighter" dropping a bomb into a field?

That's the one I think of when the idea of not-revealing-full-operational-characteristics comes up.

Of course, the enemy does the same thing. Those Russian export air defenses are probably missing a few bells and whistles.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

It has never been true in all of human history...probably since before dinosaur history. The weak are always preyed upon by the strong. Weak willed counts for being weak; you can be big and strong but unwilling or unable to defend yourself and you become the prey. Your society is either expanding or contracting, it almost never ever stays static. We are sitting at that stasis point now. As Mattis said, we no longer have the power to inspire but we still have the power to intimidate; we can use it or we can start contracting and becoming a smaller, weaker society. I would argue our power to inspire was directly related to our power to intimidate...nothing inspires like success. People would rather do business with us than go to war...at least until they decide they could take us in a war and be the next big guy on the block.

An attitude of I'll leave you alone and you leave me alone only works until the aggressor decides you'll be an easy mark and he wants your stuff. It's like leaving your doors unlocked and assuming no one will rob you because you wouldn't rob them. Doesn't work in the neighborhood, doesn't work in the world.

I understand the " guy with the biggest stick " idea but that's not what I'm getting at .


America / corps that run America sends our soldiers everywhere to " solve " everyone else's problems and I'm sick of it it .

It doesn't make sense to me that " we the people " are seemingly chomping at the bit , ****ing can't wait to throw blood and treasure at everyone else's problems when we clearly can't get our own **** together .

I say its well past time "we the people " change how we interact with the rest of the world .

Around TWENTY TWO , 22 of OUR serviceman are killing themselves everyday but we're crying about an opioid epidemic . How bout we get that **** squared away before we spred more " freedom " around.

How bout we let the rest of the world figure it out for themselves . **** more war , **** more destroyed American lives .

 

[1DOWN4UP]

Nikki Haley to North Korea: 'No problem' letting Mattis deal with you | Fox News

 

[Sylvain]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...itary-unit-assassinate-kim-jong-un/673350001/

 

[Kutnupe14]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...itary-unit-assassinate-kim-jong-un/673350001/

Well, now that this plan is blown, what's Plan B?

 

[JAL]

Well, now that this plan is blown, what's Plan B?

The South Koreans and their government aren't stupid. It was a public message to Kimmie-boy, who is notoriously paranoid. Whether it has any effect remains to be seen. It's much more likely he'd be taken out by an internal coup d'etat than by an outside assassination squad. Then again, a small drone under their radar with a hellfire at the right time and place . . .

Additional thoughts:
If Kimmie-boy is neutralized, who replaces him? How much social and political chaos will erupt, and for how long? Who gains control of their weapons grade nuclear materials and what will they do with them?

John

 

[Thor]

If crazy little fat bad hair boy is eliminated, I see China doing following up with what they said...not accepting chaos on their border or regime change in NK. I would see us not agreeing to that and not in a UN we disapprove sort of way. More in the Nikki Haley hand off to Mattis sort of way.

 

[Thor]

How bout we let the rest of the world figure it out for themselves . **** more war , **** more destroyed American lives .

Then get ready to receive because the rest of the world is not going to just sit around and wait for us to figure out our problems...we've got stuff they want. Better beef up missile defense and our nuclear deterrent because MAD is all we'll have left.

 

[Sylvain]

The South Koreans and their government aren't stupid. It was a public message to Kimmie-boy, who is notoriously paranoid. Whether it has any effect remains to be seen. It's much more likely he'd be taken out by an internal coup d'etat than by an outside assassination squad. Then again, a small drone under their radar with a hellfire at the right time and place . . .

Additional thoughts:
If Kimmie-boy is neutralized, who replaces him? How much social and political chaos will erupt, and for how long? Who gains control of their weapons grade nuclear materials and what will they do with them?

John

Kim Jung-Un supposedly has three kids.The oldest being a daughter born in 2009.
If Kim's dinasty stay in power it would be interesting having a 8 year old in charge of their nuclear arsenal.

Since Kim had his half-brother assassinated he only has a brother and a sister left that could take over the country.

 

[Kutnupe14]

The South Koreans and their government aren't stupid. It was a public message to Kimmie-boy, who is notoriously paranoid. Whether it has any effect remains to be seen. It's much more likely he'd be taken out by an internal coup d'etat than by an outside assassination squad. Then again, a small drone under their radar with a hellfire at the right time and place . . .

Additional thoughts:
If Kimmie-boy is neutralized, who replaces him? How much social and political chaos will erupt, and for how long? Who gains control of their weapons grade nuclear materials and what will they do with them?

John

I'd question the logic of someone intentionally trying to get a rise out of an admittedly paranoid person with nuclear weapons. I don't see coup as a realistic option, given his brainwashed populace. Whomever assassinated him would surely be killed themselves, with a new leader taking power who would probably keep in-step with the cult of Kim.