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    Leaks provide ground-level account of Afghan war - Yahoo! News

    WASHINGTON – Some 90,000 leaked U.S. military records posted online Sunday amount to a blow-by-blow account of six years of the Afghanistan war, including unreported incidents of Afghan civilian killings as well as covert operations against Taliban figures.
    The online whistle-blower [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]WikiLeaks[/COLOR][/COLOR] posted the documents on its website Sunday. The New York Times, London's Guardian newspaper and the German weekly Der Spiegel were given early access to the documents.
    The White House condemned the document disclosure, saying it "put the lives of Americans and our partners at risk."
    The leaked records include detailed descriptions of raids carried out by a secretive U.S. special operations unit called [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]Task [COLOR=#366388 !important]Force[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] 373 against what U.S. officials considered high-value insurgent and terrorist targets. Some of the raids resulted in unintended killings of Afghan civilians, according to the documentation.
    Among those listed as being killed by the secretive unit was Shah Agha, described by the Guardian as an intelligence officer for an IED cell, who was killed with four other men in June 2009. Another was a Libyan fighter, Abu Laith al-Libi, described in the documents as a senior al-Qaida military commander. Al-Libi was said to be based across the border in [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]Mir [COLOR=#366388 !important]Ali[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR], Pakistan, and was running al-Qaida training camps in North Waziristan, a region along the Afghan border where U.S. officials have said numerous senior al-Qaida leaders were believed to be hiding.
    The operation against al-Libi, in June 2007, resulted in a death tally that one U.S. military document said include six enemy fighters and seven noncombatants — all children.
    The Guardian reported that more than 2,000 senior figures from the Taliban and al-Qaida are on a "kill or capture" list, known as JPEL, the Joint Prioritized Effects List. It was from this list that Task Force 373 selected its targets.
    The New York Times said the documents — including classified cables and assessments between military officers and diplomats — also describe U.S. fears that ally Pakistan's intelligence service was actually aiding the Afghan insurgency.
    According to the Times, the documents suggest Pakistan "allows representatives of its spy service to meet directly with the Taliban in secret strategy sessions to organize networks of militant groups that fight against American soldiers in Afghanistan, and even hatch plots to assassinate Afghan leaders."
    The Guardian, however, interpreted the documents differently, saying they "fail to provide a convincing smoking gun" for complicity between the Pakistan intelligence services and the Taliban.
    In a statement released Sunday, White House national security adviser Gen. Jim Jones lauded a deeper partnership between the U.S. and Pakistan, saying, "Counterterrorism cooperation has led to significant blows against al-Qaida's leadership." Still, he called on Pakistan to continue its "strategic shift against insurgent groups."
    Pakistan's Ambassador to the U.S. Husain Haqqani said the documents "do not reflect the current on-ground realities." The United States, Afghanistan and Pakistan are "jointly endeavoring to defeat al-Qaida and its Taliban allies militarily and politically," he added.
    Der Spiegel, meanwhile, reported that the records show Afghan security officers as helpless victims of Taliban attacks.
    The magazine said the documents show a growing threat in the north, where German troops are stationed.
    The classified documents are largely what's called "raw intelligence" — reports from junior officers in the field that analysts use to advise policymakers, rather than any high-level government documents that state U.S. government policy.
    While the documents provide a glimpse of a world the public rarely sees, the overall picture they portray is already familiar to most Americans. U.S. officials have already publicly denounced Pakistani officials' cooperation with some insurgents, like the Haqqani network in Pakistan's tribal areas.
    The success of U.S. special operating forces teams at taking out Taliban targets has been publicly lauded by U.S. military and [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]intelligence [COLOR=#366388 !important]officials[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]. And just-resigned Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who was leading the Afghan war effort, made protecting Afghan civilians one of the hallmarks of his command, complaining that too many Afghans had been accidentally killed by Western firepower.

    WikiLeaks said the leaked documents "do not generally cover top-secret operations." The site also reported that it had "delayed the release of some 15,000 reports" as part of what it called "a harm minimization process demanded by our source," but said it may release the other documents after further review.
    Jones, the White House adviser, took pains to point out that the documents describe a period from January 2004 to December 2009, mostly during the administration of President George W. Bush.
    That was before "President Obama announced a new strategy with a substantial increase in resources for Afghanistan, and increased focus on al-Qaida and Taliban safe havens in Pakistan, precisely because of the grave situation that had developed over several years," Jones said.
    A different [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]U.S. [COLOR=#366388 !important]official[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] said the Obama administration had already told Pakistani and Afghan officials what to expect from the document release, in order to head off some of the more embarrassing revelations.
    Another U.S. official said it may take days to comb through all the documents to see what they mean to the U.S. war effort and determine their potential damage to national security. That official added that the U.S. isn't certain who leaked the documents.
    Another official said teams of analysts started examining the documents the moment they were disclosed online.
    All three officials spoke on condition of anonymity to comment on the release of classified material.
    U.S. government agencies have been bracing for the release of thousands more classified documents since the leak of a classified helicopter cockpit video of a 2007 firefight in Baghdad. That leak was blamed on a U.S. Army intelligence analyst working in [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]Iraq[/COLOR][/COLOR].
    Spc. Bradley Manning, 22, of Potomac, Md., was arrested in Iraq and charged earlier this month with multiple counts of mishandling and leaking classified data, after a former hacker turned him in. Manning had bragged to the hacker, Adrian Lamo, that he had downloaded 260,000 classified or sensitive State Department cables and transmitted them by computer to the website Wikileaks.org. Lamo turned Manning in to U.S. authorities, saying he couldn't live with the thought that those released documents might get someone killed.
     

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    man thats some bs. seriously its war. if the taliban and them didn't endanger their own people it would be a lot civilian casualties. to man dumb reporters only looking for the negatives of what we have done in those countries. why not focus on the thousands of schools we opened up and the civil liberties we help provide to the women there. i mean you could go on and on with the good but i guess that doesn't make good news. who ever leaked it should be hung for treason
     

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    man thats some bs. seriously its war. if the taliban and them didn't endanger their own people it would be a lot civilian casualties. to man dumb reporters only looking for the negatives of what we have done in those countries. why not focus on the thousands of schools we opened up and the civil liberties we help provide to the women there. i mean you could go on and on with the good but i guess that doesn't make good news. who ever leaked it should be hung for treason

    Yeah, that school and vote stuff - old news. Don't mean a thing compared to those eeeevilll Secret Soldiers and their indiscriminate killing. Now that makes headlines!
     

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    I want our secret soldiers to kill and do so in a way that conveys a strong message. Then after the deed is done, I don't wanna know about it. It's the nature of the games they play and I'm ok with that.
     

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    The children and civilians killed were likely being used as shields, or bait.

    I've read several first hand accounts from both wars and they all talk about how the "insurgents" like to ambush our patrols during humanitarian efforts such as giving medical care, building schools, providing water, etc etc etc. Anyplace where we stand still is a good place for them to start lobbying RPGs and small arms fire.

    They don't care if they kill children in the process, as long as they kill our soldiers, it's justifiable to them.
     

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    In the case of specops taking out terrorist leaders, from what I've heard, they're often taken out while staying in a local home, hence, kids & other "non-combatants". I'm guessing the distinctions between fighting a war against guerrillas vs against a formed army escapes these self-righteous "leakers". Just heard on the radio, complaints of "war crimes" as a result of these leaked documents. Do none of them understand the Geneva Convention or the Laws of Warfare? Sorry, Sorry, stupid question.
     

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    WikiLeaks are the same PIECES OF **** that tried to blame the U.S. helicopter pilot for killing the two reporters that were grouped with all the insurgents. Don't forget that these pathetic people tried to say the pilots were murderers and ignored the RPG and multiple AK's the guys were carrying.
     

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    Civilian casualties are a sad reality of urban combat. Especially when you face a bunch of cowards. Hell they do not mind killing civilians themselves. We had the balls to drop an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. How about a mother of all atomic bombs. End the **** and get our Men and Women home. What I said may sound cruel. However we are never going to bring stability to that region. No matter how bad our Government wants it. As long as there are radical Muslims, then there will always be conflict. When, and if the time comes to pull out. All that we have done, will be undone. Until they can form a solid Military and Police force. Even then it's going to be tough. Just like General Patton said about Russia. If we do not take them out, then they will always be a thorn on our side. My :twocents:
     

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    Civilian casualties are a sad reality of urban combat. Especially when you face a bunch of cowards. Hell they do not mind killing civilians themselves. We had the balls to drop an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. How about a mother of all atomic bombs. End the **** and get our Men and Women home. What I said may sound cruel. However we are never going to bring stability to that region. No matter how bad our Government wants it. As long as there are radical Muslims, then there will always be conflict. When, and if the time comes to pull out. All that we have done, will be undone. Until they can form a solid Military and Police force. Even then it's going to be tough. Just like General Patton said about Russia. If we do not take them out, then they will always be a thorn on our side. My :twocents:

    :+1: It's sad that nobody realizes you can't stop a 2-3000 year old conflict with a 10 year war. Besides, if we did drop a nuke, I bet the price of glassware would drop DRAMATICALLY. :)
     

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    Civilian casualties are a sad reality of urban combat. Especially when you face a bunch of cowards. Hell they do not mind killing civilians themselves. We had the balls to drop an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. How about a mother of all atomic bombs. End the **** and get our Men and Women home. What I said may sound cruel. However we are never going to bring stability to that region. No matter how bad our Government wants it. As long as there are radical Muslims, then there will always be conflict. When, and if the time comes to pull out. All that we have done, will be undone. Until they can form a solid Military and Police force. Even then it's going to be tough. Just like General Patton said about Russia. If we do not take them out, then they will always be a thorn on our side. My :twocents:

    Exactly. Civilian casulties, while tragic and regrettable, sometimes happen. Look at the Dresden bombings, the fire bombings of Tokyo, the atomic bombs... can anyone imagine the outcry if we had the reporters back then that we do now?
     

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    WikiLeaks are the same PIECES OF **** that tried to blame the U.S. helicopter pilot for killing the two reporters that were grouped with all the insurgents. Don't forget that these pathetic people tried to say the pilots were murderers and ignored the RPG and multiple AK's the guys were carrying.

    Was that reporter posting wikileaks perhaps?
    oops :rolleyes: my bad
     

    Blackhawk2001

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    I know it's popular to call our opponents in asymmetrical warfare "cowards" because they hide in the general population, but that is just a tactic; one we might use ourselves if we were in a similar situation. The bad guys will get their butts kicked in any kind of standup battle against US troops for a number of reasons, and they know it. Blending into the populace just requires a total indifference to civilian casualties and a willingness to use every circumstance to strike at your opponent. The Afghanis have _never_ been noted for their cowardice or unwillingness to fight, so to call them cowards is to fool ourselves into thinking them less than they are. They're fighting for what they believe in and accepting the casualties it takes to wear down the enemy and get them to quit. This tactic succeeded in Vietnam and it's worked every time the Afghanis have been invaded by a modern power; why shouldn't it work again? Different culture, different mores.
     

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    keep in mind too that just because by the time someone arrives on scene (red cross for example) to take an account of the dead, and they find women and children or men who are un-armed, it DOES NOT mean they were un-armed when they were killed.
    Those scum bags will take weapons off their dead. They sometimes FORCE women and children to stand off against troops, knowing they will die, so they can try and win a propoganda victory. I have never seen scum like that of what i saw in afghanistan and iraq. the middle east is the butt hole of the world.
     

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    keep in mind too that just because by the time someone arrives on scene (red cross for example) to take an account of the dead, and they find women and children or men who are un-armed, it DOES NOT mean they were un-armed when they were killed.
    Those scum bags will take weapons off their dead. They sometimes FORCE women and children to stand off against troops, knowing they will die, so they can try and win a propoganda victory. I have never seen scum like that of what i saw in afghanistan and iraq. the middle east is the butt hole of the world.

    That's because you're too young to have seen the same things happen in Vietnam.
     

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    keep in mind too that just because by the time someone arrives on scene (red cross for example) to take an account of the dead, and they find women and children or men who are un-armed, it DOES NOT mean they were un-armed when they were killed.
    Those scum bags will take weapons off their dead. They sometimes FORCE women and children to stand off against troops, knowing they will die, so they can try and win a propoganda victory. I have never seen scum like that of what i saw in afghanistan and iraq. the middle east is the butt hole of the world.

    That is what I am getting at with the POS WikiLeaks. The video from the Apache helicopters clearly showed the reporters with several armed men and they were fired on and killed. AFTER, they killed the insurgents you can see more show up grabbing the bodies and weapons. I am not saying that Wiki can't find a story once in a while but they are a B.S. group as a whole.
     

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    The people we're fighting also believe that you have to be burried within a certain time period, so bodies and weapons tend to not linger on a battlefield.
     

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    So I am not a military man by any means, but I don't get it. What was leaked? Mission agenda's? Mission tatics? Mission details? I thought war was supposed to be ugly, its WAR for crying out loud. I guess I'm missing why its such a big deal? Can anyone bring me up to speed?

    CB45
     
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