Looks like the bumpstock ban is about to become real

[MarkC]

Yes. Though I wasn't commenting on the other stuff, just the verbiage about the bump stock possession.

Point taken; but, I think since this guy has the other, more serious issues, the bump stock issue won't make it to the appellate process.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I think for the left side of the bench, it's the outcome they want. That's how they think about cases. I think Roberts, and Kavanaugh would most likely side with the lefties on this, maybe for different reasons though. Out of Gorsuch, Alito, and Thomas, I think at least two of them would dissent.

As Thomas has (I think fairly) bemoaned, the court has generally tended to not address 2A issues and treat it like a 2nd class right. If it does go to court, I'd imagine the case will center around whether Trump's administration had the authority to do what they did in establishing that ban and not if it violates the 2A. I'm not sure this wouldn't be the surest way of overturning it, especially amongst the lefties.

 

[KLB]

As Thomas has (I think fairly) bemoaned, the court has generally tended to not address 2A issues and treat it like a 2nd class right. If it does go to court, I'd imagine the case will center around whether Trump's administration had the authority to do what they did in establishing that ban and not if it violates the 2A. I'm not sure this wouldn't be the surest way of overturning it, especially amongst the lefties.

I'm pretty sure Gorsuch would jump all over that. He doesn't like when the bureaucracy makes or changes rules.

 

[jamil]

As Thomas has (I think fairly) bemoaned, the court has generally tended to not address 2A issues and treat it like a 2nd class right. If it does go to court, I'd imagine the case will center around whether Trump's administration had the authority to do what they did in establishing that ban and not if it violates the 2A. I'm not sure this wouldn't be the surest way of overturning it, especially amongst the lefties.

Idunno. Amongst the lefties, it’s more about the outcome. The “basis” for their decision is secondary to that. So I think they’d rule that the president does have the authority to change the the definitions because they agree with the outcome.

Kavanaugh seems to me the most likely of the Republican justices to side with the left, but for different reasons. Roberts is a wildcard. Of the three conservatives, as I said, I’m pretty sure there’d be at least two who would dissent. I’m pretty sure the two solid dissenters would be Thomas and Gorsuch. Not completely sure about Alito.

But, the court has surprised me in the past. It could possibly be a unanimous **** you Trump, you don’t have that much power.”

That’s the correct ruling. But I think it will go the other way and give presidents more sweeping power to enact gun controls with lens and phones. I’d love to see the court slap Trump for this. Not gonna happen, I think.

 

[jamil]

One thing I’ll say about this case, the dude is a poster boy for how ridiculous bans are. This guy sounds like a real nutter. This ban is for people who obey the law. It’s not gonna stop people who might use these things to harm people. The people using these things for recreation—their intended purpose—are the only people this law applies to, of course along with the manufacturers. The people who would do harm don’t care to follow it.

 

[IronsKeeper]

One thing I’ll say about this case, the dude is a poster boy for how ridiculous bans are. This guy sounds like a real nutter. This ban is for people who obey the law. It’s not gonna stop people who might use these things to harm people. The people using these things for recreation—their intended purpose—are the only people this law applies to, of course along with the manufacturers. The people who would do harm don’t care to follow it.

His being the first prosecution is quote intentional, as proof of how "effective" the ban is...

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[kludge]

Got banned and blocked from a Facebook group called "Constitutional Patriots" for saying the Trump was weak on the 2A and brought up the bump stock thing. For DARING to oppose anything Trump I received ad-hominem attacks by the group/page owner, so I replied with logical arguments, then a "laugh" icon at my arguments, then, thread appeared to be deleted, then, ban hammer!

 

[cbhausen]

GOA took their case to Federal Appeals Court last week:

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/12/goa-takes-bump-stock-ban-to-federal-appeals-court-video/

 

[femurphy77]

I bought an M&P 15-22 a couple of years ago hoping to bumpstock it to make wasting ammo easier so I'm still hoping to one day make that happen.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I bought an M&P 15-22 a couple of years ago hoping to bumpstock it to make wasting ammo easier so I'm still hoping to one day make that happen.

I wonder how well it would work with a 15-22 since it relies on recoil to make it work? I don't know if .22 lr would generate enough energy.

 

[femurphy77]

I wonder how well it would work with a 15-22 since it relies on recoil to make it work? I don't know if .22 lr would generate enough energy.

You have to change a few things in the base rifle and there's definitely a technique to it but hitchcock45 (?) was playing with one in one of his videos and it seemed to work quite well.

Can't find Hitchcock's video but here's another one: [video=youtube;H1DlWCNZVs8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1DlWCNZVs8[/video]

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

You have to change a few things in the base rifle and there's definitely a technique to it but hitchcock45 (?) was playing with one in one of his videos and it seemed to work quite well.

Can't find Hitchcock's video but here's another one: [video=youtube;H1DlWCNZVs8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1DlWCNZVs8[/video]

How about a binary trigger?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

You have to change a few things in the base rifle and there's definitely a technique to it but hitchcock45 (?) was playing with one in one of his videos and it seemed to work quite well.

Can't find Hitchcock's video but here's another one: [video=youtube;H1DlWCNZVs8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1DlWCNZVs8[/video]

That does make sense using a lighter trigger. Obviously it works! Kinda wish he'd have filmed that when there weren't other people shooting right next to him... that was pretty distracting. I found myself going, "Shhhhhhh! I'm trying to listen here!" at my screen.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

How about a binary trigger?

If you don't tighten down the little allen screws right when you install the drop-in trigger, you can get a binary trigger inadvertently. Ask me how I know...

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

If you don't tighten down the little allen screws right when you install the drop-in trigger, you can get a binary trigger inadvertently. Ask me how I know...

 

[Bigtanker]

22plinkster had a video of him running a M&P 22 with a bumpstock on it. YT removed it/made him take it down. He ran it pretty good.

 

[Percolater]

15-22 worked well.
If I remember right, you had to slightly push away from your body with your non-trigger hand. Felt awkward and no accuracy, but was a blast. Ahh, the good ol' days.

 

[protias]

How about a binary trigger?

Echo Trigger is better since if you are able to pull faster than the bolt can go, you can still fire, but with the Binary Trigger, if you go faster than the bolt, you have to eject the cartridge before you can fire again.

 

[Hkindiana]

Echo Trigger is better since if you are able to pull faster than the bolt can go, you can still fire, but with the Binary Trigger, if you go faster than the bolt, you have to eject the cartridge before you can fire again.

The Echo trigger IS a binary trigger

 

[protias]

The Echo trigger IS a binary trigger

No, it is a different product.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy-a2QWpMfY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEsGAmZGueQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uSJmoNY-Jg

https://www.full30.com/watch/MDEyNzc5/civilian-legal-full-auto-echo-and-bfsiii-vs-full-auto-m16