Lucky to still have my Friend, and so many Fails here!

[wcd]

Close friend is moving so he has his travel trailer packed with 20 years of his stuff temporarily stored in an old barn he is renting. Over the weekend he goes out to take more boxes out there etc. Doors are open he gets into the building to find his trailer has a meth head squatter in it. So instead of walking a way girlfriend calls 911 while he tells her to get his gun out of the car. Long story short he goes inside his trailer to confront Mr. Model citizen. Who is In the Kitchen area next thing he knows he has a steak knife in hand starting to charge him.

By know he shouts stop or I am going to ******* **** you! Meth head debates on continuing his charge then decides to dive out window and take off. My friend again makes the choice to go after him! Then fires a warning shot in the air which causes the guy to hit the ground and he remained there until local leo arrived.

He comes to find out this guy has been released from state lock up 3 days ago And now is back in custody facing a laundry list of charges.

While I am thankful he was unharmed I really feel like he needs to be debriefed. I am trying to figure out how to convey to him how fortunate he is and why he needs to take a serious look at the choices he made.

 

[Mgderf]

Boy you got that right.
He's lucky HE'S not in jail...

 

[churchmouse]

Boy you got that right.
He's lucky HE'S not in jail...

Yup.
But who among us can put up with the crap sacks?

 

[Jaybird1980]

Yup.
But who among us can put up with the crap sacks?

Shouldn't have to. Anything and everything should be fair game on these scum. A good guy getting in trouble because his reaction is to protect his stuff is BS.

 

[BigRed]

Your friend is braver than me.

I would have feared for my life the moment the thug with a knife initiated a step towards me.

I have no further comment.

 

[wcd]

Boy you got that right.
He's lucky HE'S not in jail...

I am thinking this is a time to really ponder on how I can convey how serious his actions were, and why he needs to understand there were so many better choices he could have made. And none of them include discharging his firearm.

 

[wcd]

I will withhold my comment.

Please share. I do not want to beat up on him, but given the area he is moving to this may not end up being his first rodeo.

 

[BigRed]

Please share. I do not want to beat up on him, but given the area he is moving to this may not end up being his first rodeo.

It is difficult to support "self defense", "stand your ground", or a "breach of curtilage" when you go chasing the thug.

Like I said though, he is a braver man than me. I would have feared for my life the moment an intruder came towards me with a knife in hand.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Please share. I do not want to beat up on him, but given the area he is moving to this may not end up being his first rodeo.

He needs to take a self defense (firearms) class. One that covers the laws of his jurisdiction, and what to do and what not to do. Thats the best advice I can give.

Because advice from a friend can easily be dismissed.

 

[churchmouse]

He needs to take a self defense (firearms) class. One that covers the laws of his jurisdiction, and what to do and what not to do. Thats the best advice I can give.

Because advice from a friend can easily be dismissed.

And don’t chase them.
Never chase them.
I am glad the crap eating POS was caught but man that could have ended badly.

 

[wcd]

Yup.
But who among us can put up with the crap sacks?

From what I have learned the piece of Human fecal matter had an extensive record, as such my friend will not face any charges.

First and foremost he needs to understand his little LCP does not make him invincible, he really needs to have the correct mindset, and understand that permit less Cary does not mean you just keep it in your car and all of a sudden you are equipped to handle such things on your own. Given it was a travel trailer but he never should have gone in.

Glad he is ok but that does not mean I am not ****** at him.

 

[churchmouse]

From what I have learned the piece of Human fecal matter had an extensive record, as such my friend will not face any charges.

First and foremost he needs to understand his little LCP does not make him invincible, he really needs to have the correct mindset, and understand that permit less Cary does not mean you just keep it in your car and all of a sudden you are equipped to handle such things on your own. Given it was a travel trailer but he never should have gone in.

Glad he is ok but that does not mean I am not ****** at him.

Oh I would have gone in. Hell yes.
And he would not have cleared the window either but I digress.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Yeah, the minute you square off with me with a knife within 10' Im not waiting for you to lunge at me.

 

[wcd]

He needs to take a self defense (firearms) class. One that covers the laws of his jurisdiction, and what to do and what not to do. Thats the best advice I can give.

Because advice from a friend can easily be dismissed.

Truth, I am really kind of mad at him and he knows it. Friendship is not something that I give out easily.

At the end of the day I just want him to realize how badly this could have ended for him. Sadly many people do not train nor do they understand how serious an individual with a knife can be. Add to the equation meth and the well I shot my LCP a few times a few years ago, and what you have is a recipe for a disaster.

 

[2in1evtime]

When confronted with a knife wielding person that is time to take action, not when they are running away, if they are running that is not considered stand your ground!

 

[wcd]

Yeah, the minute you square off with me with a knife within 10' Im not waiting for you to lunge at me.

Once he was in clearly Mr Meth head was the aggressor and he would have been fully justified in taking appropriate action to stop him, but once he is out and retreating not so much.

 

[BigRed]

He needs to take a self defense (firearms) class. One that covers the laws of his jurisdiction, and what to do and what not to do. Thats the best advice I can give.

Because advice from a friend can easily be dismissed.

This.

 

[wcd]

When confronted with a knife wielding person that is time to take action, not when they are running away, if they are running that is not considered stand your ground!

Exactly and this is why he needs to get some training, I am not suggesting that training be required , but at minimum you should have a basic understanding of the law and your responsibilities.

 

[BigRed]

Close friend is moving so he has his travel trailer packed with 20 years of his stuff temporarily stored in an old barn he is renting. Over the weekend he goes out to take more boxes out there etc. Doors are open he gets into the building to find his trailer has a meth head squatter in it. So instead of walking a way girlfriend calls 911 while he tells her to get his gun out of the car. Long story short he goes inside his trailer to confront Mr. Model citizen. Who is In the Kitchen area next thing he knows he has a steak knife in hand starting to charge him.

By know he shouts stop or I am going to ******* **** you! Meth head debates on continuing his charge then decides to dive out window and take off. My friend again makes the choice to go after him! Then fires a warning shot in the air which causes the guy to hit the ground and he remained there until local leo arrived.

He comes to find out this guy has been released from state lock up 3 days ago And now is back in custody facing a laundry list of charges.

While I am thankful he was unharmed I really feel like he needs to be debriefed. I am trying to figure out how to convey to him how fortunate he is and why he needs to take a serious look at the choices he made.

I am glad your friend is ok.

Some sound advice in this thread.

 

[wcd]

I am glad your friend is ok.

Some sound advice in this thread.

And I am going to ask him in all sincerity to please join INGO and read the thread. Understanding laws may vary but sound advice is universal.