McCain's Terror Bill: American citizens will be sent to military prisons

[cqcn88]

Indeed. Two things that struck me as I was reading were the "safeguards in place" (what safeguards and how does one access them after being black bagged?) and also that he claims the Feinstein amendendment was unanimously accepted. I had been under the impression that the Feinstein amendments were shot down. The guy who wrote the article Rambone posted seems to also be under the same impression. His article is dated two days after the letter I got from Coats. It seems this is a damage control type letter from a senator who will eventually be up for re-election. It appears he's sugar coating at best and straight up lying at worst.

 

[rambone]

 

[thebishopp]

lol that's hilarious.

 

[rambone]

Rush Limbaugh discusses the NDAA (after its too late)

Only to score political points against Obama.

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[turnandshoot4]

On a side note:

Boy am I glad Obama won the presidency.

Could you imagine such an anti-freedom, rights hating, and fear mongering man be our president?

Thank Jesus we got Obama instead. Lesser of two evils my ass. McCain would've been worse than Obama can ever be.

 

[rambone]

Steven Colbert on NDAA

"We will not lock up Americans indefinitely...eventually they will die!"

Stephen Colbert TEARS INTO Obama Over The NDAA Bill

 

[rambone]

Business Insider on NDAA

DEAR OBAMA: How Could You Sign This Police-State NDAA Bill?

This erosion of the Constitution, which came in the form of new language in the annual National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), allows the government to hold anyone suspected of being associated with terrorism indefinitely, without any form of due process. No indictment.
No judge or jury.
No evidence.
No trial.
Just an indefinite jail sentence.
In other words:
If someone in the government suspects that you're somehow associated with terrorism, you can be jailed indefinitely in a military prison.

 

[fireblade]

 

[rambone]

Rhode Island Congressman attempts to fight NDAA using 10th Amendment

Single state defies Obama detention plan

Rep. Daniel P. Gordon Jr. today told WND he has drafted a resolution, which is being circulated among the lawmakers even now, to express opposition to the sections of the NDAA “that suspend habeas corpus and civil liberties.”
“Sections 1021 and 1022 of the act, signed into law on New Years Eve of 2011, provide for the indefinite detention of American citizens by the military on American soil, without charge, and without right to legal counsel and right to trial,” he explained.
“Given the fact that the constitutions of Rhode Island and that of the United States are replete with guarantees of individual liberties, right to habeas corpus, and right to freedom of speech, the offending sections of that law are repugnant to the sensibilities of anyone that has a basic understanding of the foundation of this country,” he said.
The opinions on the legislation signed by Obama vary. Commentator Chuck Baldwin, who himself has been the target of smears by the Department of Homeland Security-related apparatus, explained the law, “for all intents and purposes, completely nullifies a good portion of the Bill of Rights, turns the United States into a war zone, and places U.S. citizens under military rule.”

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[EvilBlackGun]

Seeing the situation in Syria at this moment

and looking back at The "Democracy outbreaks" in other mid-eastern countries, I think we can get a pretty good idea what Amerika will look like if anyone tries to pull socialism's wool over our eyes. Very many -- if not all -- of us will come out "from behind our blades of grass" and forcefully restore what needs to be restored, and at the same time remove what/who needs to be removed. EBG

 

[fireblade]

i was wondering when this was coming back up to the top we should not let this thread go quietly in the night .......

 

[EvilBlackGun]

Solzhenitsin's "Quiet night"

"How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every security-operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive?" Always be ready to die or kill for your loved-ones' Freedoms. They were paid for by blood as the first down-payment. "Quietly into the night" describes my whole military career and duty. I have not been un-sworn. EBG
Alexander Solzhenitzyn, "Гулaг Apкипeλaгo" Gulag Archipelago

i was wondering when this was coming back up to the top we should not let this thread go quietly in the night .......

 

[rambone]

NDAA powers used for the 1st time to deny habeas corpus

We've begun a new era of tyranny.

Government Cites NDAA as Authority to Detain Gitmo Prisoner

Less than a month after President Obama signed the NDAA into law, lawyers for the government of the United States have cited that act as authority for the continuing detainment of Musa’ab al-Madhwani.

Al-Madhwani (pictured above) is a Yemeni national who has spent the last nine years in a cell at Guantanamo. After serving compulsory military service in Afghanistan after his visa and passport were confiscated, al-Madhwani traveled around the Middle East as a refugee, trying to get back home to Yemen. In 2002, he was captured in Pakistan by local police and soon was handed over to the custody of the U.S. military. After a stay in one of the CIA’s black site prisons where he says he was “brutally tortured” at the hands of his American captors, he was shipped off to Guantanamo, where he insists that the brutality continued.

Although District Court Judge Thomas Hogan found that the prisoner was neither dangerous nor a threat to the United States, he nonetheless insisted that his “hands were tied” and denied al-Madhwani’s petition for a writ of habeas corpus.

On appeal of that decision, the D.C. Circuit Court upheld the lower court’s ruling and that decision was ultimately appealed in a petition for a writ of certiorari to the Supreme Court.

In the brief filed by the Obama administration opposing al-Madhwani’s cert petition, the government explicitly and for the first — but certainly not the last time — offers the NDAA as authority for the ongoing detention of “some persons captured” and “detained at Guantanamo Bay.” The historic language in the brief is clear:

 

[rambone]

Court vs. NDAA

NDAA in court over indefinite detention of Americans
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After much debate on a new law signed by President Barack Obama, House Republicans are throwing around the idea of reviewing the National Defense Authorization Act after the law was challenged in court.

Seven witnesses appeared in front of US District Judge Katherine Forrest in New York on Thursday. Among the seven individuals,a Pulitzer-prize winning journalist Chris Hedges was responsible for filing the lawsuit believes the “indefinite detention” portion of the law could result in his imprisonment at Guantanamo Bay for merely doing his job.

Hedges a repeated guest on RT is an author, columnist for TruthDig.Com and a Middle-East expert, expressed in Federal court that the NDAA would have an effect on journalists and activists worldwide.

“I think its [NDAA] clearly unconstitutional, certainly the lawyers Bruce Afran and Carl Mayer who are bringing the case believe it is unconstitutional,” Hedges said to RT.

Hedges who comes in contact with several individuals from the Middle-East fears the US government will attempt to link him to a terrorist network when in fact he is merely reporting.

“It’s quite a frightening piece of legislation,” he added.

 

[hornadylnl]

NDAA in court over indefinite detention of Americans
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So the house republicans want to review NDAA after it was passed. 190 republicans voted FOR the bill. Why didn't they review it before they voted on it?

http://bunkerville.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/vote-tally-count-defense-authorization-act/

 

[bingley]

Here's the link to the article:

NDAA in court over indefinite detention of Americans — RT

 

[rambone]

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[ATOMonkey]

So the house republicans want to review NDAA after it was passed. 190 republicans voted FOR the bill. Why didn't they review it before they voted on it?

Vote Tally Count Defense Authorization Act « BUNKERVILLE | God, Guns and Guts Comrades!

Derrr... You have to pass a bill to find out what's in it.

Don't you listen to Nancy?

 

[rambone]

Indefinite detention reaffirmed in congress

As before, House Republicans overwhelmingly supported it. 212 yeas, 18 nays.

8 out of 9 of our Indiana Representatives supported it.


National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2014 (H.R. 1960) - GovTrack.us

Aye D Visclosky, Peter IN 1st
Aye R Walorski, Jackie IN 2nd
Aye R Stutzman, Marlin IN 3rd
Aye R Rokita, Todd IN 4th
Aye R Brooks, Susan IN 5th
Aye R Messer, Luke IN 6th
No D Carson, André IN 7th
Aye R Bucshon, Larry IN 8th
Aye R Young, Todd IN 9th


Indefinite Detention Of Americans Survives House Vote

The U.S. House of Representatives voted again Thursday to allow the indefinite military detention of Americans, blocking an amendment that would have barred the possibility. Congress wrote that authority into law in the National Defense Authorization Act two years ago, prompting outrage from civil libertarians on the left and right. President Barack Obama signed the measure, but insisted his administration would never use it.

Supporters of detention argue that the nation needs to be able to arrest and jail suspected terrorists without trial, including Americans on U.S. soil, for as long as there is a war on terror. Their argument won, and the measure was defeated by a vote of 200 to 226.

But opponents, among them the Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.), who offered the amendment to end that authority, argued that such detention is a stain on the Constitution that unnecessarily militarizes U.S. law enforcement.

"It is a dangerous step toward executive and military power to allow things like indefinite detention under military control within the U.S.," Smith said. "That's the heart and essence of this issue."

 

[rambone]

Everything you need to know about the NDAA, from one of the cosponsors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCII9_Ctz_w