Military To Replace M9 With?

[Jolfe]

I really hope they do what the Swiss army just did for all their special forces, retire the Sigs and adopt the Glock 17 and 26.

 

[UncleMike]

Sorry Mike, but anecdotal evidence and bold/capital letters don't trump physics and real world data. Gabby surviving was pretty miraculous and she most certainly was incapacitated. I noticed you didn't reply to the link I provided, which actually had some data attached to it. Here it is again for you: Stopping Power

There is nothing magical about the .45ACP.

Well.....
We'll just have to disagree.
I grew up reading Jeff Cooper, Elmer Keith, Skeeter Skelton, Bill Jordan, and other guys who actually used their handguns in self defense.
Not some computer geek who made a program showing the "probable" results of wound ballistics.
The accounts by the "old timers" are loaded with first hand information.
You might try reading some of them. I think you'll like their writings and come away with a fresh perspective on the strong, and weak points of handgun calibers.

 

[45-70]

Since 1911's aren't a choice I'll stick with what I know, BACON.

 

[redwingshooter]

I thought I heard rumors they were thinking of going with the FNP45? Eh, could just be internet babble, I went Glock.

 

[HICKMAN]

would be cool if they looked at 2011's in .40

 

[tgallmey]

1911

 

[teddy12b]

Just caught up on the last 5 or 6 pages since I last read, wow.

IBTL.

 

[superjoe76]

Springfield, Glock, .45, .380, bacon, lampua, head shots, gifford.

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[Destro]

Well.....
We'll just have to disagree.
I grew up reading Jeff Cooper, Elmer Keith, Skeeter Skelton, Bill Jordan, and other guys who actually used their handguns in self defense.
Not some computer geek who made a program showing the "probable" results of wound ballistics.
The accounts by the "old timers" are loaded with first hand information.
You might try reading some of them. I think you'll like their writings and come away with a fresh perspective on the strong, and weak points of handgun calibers.

good thing 9mm is not the most widely used handgun caliber worldwide

 

[the1kidd03]

good thing 9mm is not the most widely used handgun caliber worldwide

was that sarcasm

 

[UncleMike]

good thing 9mm is not the most widely used handgun caliber worldwide

Mandarin Chinese is the most widely spoken language on the planet.
Doesn't mean it's the best.
Doesn't mean the U.S. has to adopt it.

 

[Rob377]

I'll take data from hundreds and hundreds of actual shootings over anecdotes from the oldtimers. Data says with ball there's no statistically significant difference.

Last time I listened to an oldtimer, he told me how he walked 15 miles to school everyday,in the snow, uphill both ways.

 

[lrahm]

we started to use the Glock 21. I was very skeptical. I had fired the .45 before and was not happy with it. After the transition and drills we went through, I became a believer. It is a great gun with good stopping power.

 

[shoot the radio]

How would a plastic gun like a glock, hold up in a harsh environment like Iraq? Also, what is the meaning of bacon? One would think that the .40 would be the best.

Glocks were issed to the iraqi forces by the us because "they can" withstand the environment....if the beretta is truly going to the wayside,I believe glock has a good chance

 

[gibby101]

S&W MP

I Personally would love to be issues an M&P the m9 is a junk weapon system i havnt ever handled or shot one i have liked and yes the mags suck and also the weapon plays a big part in the over all suck. As long as they replace it idk what they replace it with. But I think the M&P or the Glock would be nice issue weapon for us.

 

[jeremy]

Glocks were issed to the iraqi forces by the us because "they can" withstand the environment....if the beretta is truly going to the wayside,I believe glock has a good chance

Actually the Iraqis got Glocks cause they were the Cheapest unit Price in the quantity that was asked for in a Rapid filling...

Had absolutely nothing to do with performance...

 

[crispy]

There is going to be a political component to this you know.

When Beretta won 25 years ago, was there a good American option available?

There is today. If S&W is even close, they will win. As they should.

 

[teddy12b]

Actually the Iraqis got Glocks cause they were the Cheapest unit Price in the quantity that was asked for in a Rapid filling...

Had absolutely nothing to do with performance...

Lets also not forget that Iran is now using the glocks. I don't buy into the mythical glock reliability, but over all it's a great weapon and is certainly as reliable as anything else. The fact that it's inexpensive is just icing on the cake.

 

[Birds Away]

I would take an "A class" USPSA Single Stack shooter over a SEAL with a .22 in a duel any day.

Not so sure about that. It's a completely different experience when the target has the potential to shoot back.

 

[HICKMAN]

Not so sure about that. It's a completely different experience when the target has the potential to shoot back.

It's kill or be killed. There is no other mind-set when it's you and someone else one on one.

Besides, not every SEAL has been in combat... everyone has to pop their cherry.

Environment would also weigh in. If the two were in a building where the SEAL could move slowly, use cover and tactics, he'd win.

If the two were face to face on the street with no where to go, different story.