Minnesota reciprocity announced. Still no Indiana, now no more Utah

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

Indiana still not making the cut because our laws aren't "substantially" like theirs, i.e. no training requirement here (thank God).

Of importance to many of us, including me, Utah was removed from the list so Utah permit holders, cross Minnesota off your list.

2015 Reciprocity Changes for Minnesota Carry Permit Holders

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[snowdrifter]

Wow, that's really disappointing. One of the main reasons I got a Utah license was to carry in MN. Sad to see such a great state heading the wrong direction.

 

[eric001]

Well, hell. Been planning a trip for months up to MN, got the Utah nonresident just for the trip. Now a bunch of elected doofusses up and change things only a few short weeks before the trip. Pity there's no way to send these idiots a bill for the class and permit fees. Sadly, hotel reservations, time off from job, etc, have all been made before hearing this news. Otherwise I'd think really hard about cancelling the whole thing.

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

That really sucks.

 

[rhino]

This SUCKS.

Is carrying without a permit in MN a felony or misdemeanor?

 

[Rookie]

First time is a misdemeanor.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=624.714

 

[foszoe]

Yeah. I go up there every other year or so.

 

[rhino]

Here is the email I just sent to MN DPS:

Commissioner's Office
445 Minnesota Street, Suite 1000
St. Paul MN 55101

To the Commissioner, Minnesota Department of Public Safety:


Based on your memorandum dated August 11, 2015, the Utah Concealed Firearm Permit is no longer valid in the state of Minnesota. You have made a grievous error and I only hope that you reconsider and do the right thing by reversing your decision.


You should be aware that a significant number of people have obtained a Utah CFP specifically because it was recognized in Minnesota. Your decision has placed an unreasonable inconvenience on many who wish to visit your state. By denying them the ability to carry the means for self-protection lawfully, you place us at an elevated level of risk that I find unacceptable. Your decision is ill-advised, will not make anyone safer, and will make many non-Minnesota residents less safe when they visit.


For several months I have had plans in place to visit Minnesota from 26 December 2015 through the first week of January of 2016. Because of your decision, my plans are canceled and I will not enter your state unless and until either your office reinstates the former validity of the Utah CFP or chooses to honor the Indiana License to Carry Handgun. I do not anticipate a positive decision on your part, hence you should consider all of my future travel plans to Minnesota also canceled. That means, of course, that I will not patronize any of the businesses in the area, such as hotels, restaurants, shops, and anywhere that benefits from visitors' trade. Furthermore, I intend to notify all of my friends and acquaintances who hold Utah CFPs of this new policy and recommend that they too refuse to enter your state.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Of note, Arizona is not recognized, either. Sad. Fortunately, there are, as of the middle of September, 32 states that welcome us and our spending dollars:

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Colorado (resident only)
Florida (resident only)
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine (as of Sept. 15 or so)
Michigan (resident only)
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
New Hampshire
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming

Spend your money there and after you get home, write to their state legislatures and tell them why you visited them as opposed to their less liberty-conscious neighbors.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[AngryRooster]

Here is the memo and the [STRIKE]excuses[/STRIKE] reasons why they are not accepted any longer.

It looks like Texas, Missouri, & Wyoming got the ax as well.

Texas & Missouri because they now allow military and veterans who are 19 to obtain a license.
Utah got it because they don't require shooting proficiency.
Wyoming got it for both reasons.

MN DPS - 2015 Permit to Carry Reciprocity

 

[indykid]

So as I understand this, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed so long as they are from an approved state?

 

[SSGSAD]

Indiana still not making the cut because our laws aren't "substantially" like theirs, i.e. no training requirement here (thank God).

Of importance to many of us, including me, Utah was removed from the list so Utah permit holders, cross Minnesota off your list.

2015 Reciprocity Changes for Minnesota Carry Permit Holders

Utah Carry Permit No Longer Recognized By The State Of Minnesota

I read the "article", and the person says they want "Constitutional" carry..... THEN why worry about another states "training requirements" ?????

 

[rhino]

I'm at a loss to understand how this change was perceived to be a "victory" in Minnesota?

Douche move if you ask me.

 

[AngryRooster]

I'm at a loss to understand how this change was perceived to be a "victory" in Minnesota?

Douche move if you ask me.

They approved states, so they gained states. We aren't supposed to notice the ones they cut.

Ya' know, like math and budgets:

Current budget: $10,000
Requested budget: $20,000
Approved budget: $15,000


Congratulations, we cut the budget $5,000

 

[VERT]

Here is the memo and the [STRIKE]excuses[/STRIKE] reasons why they are not accepted any longer.

It looks like Texas, Missouri, & Wyoming got the ax as well.

Texas & Missouri because they now allow military and veterans who are 19 to obtain a license.
Utah got it because they don't require shooting proficiency.
Wyoming got it for both reasons.

MN DPS - 2015 Permit to Carry Reciprocity

unless something has changed South Dakota did not require a shooting proficiency test. I lived out there for several years and there licensing was even easier then Indiana.

edit: Looks like SD has added an enhanced license. That did not exist when I moved back in 2008. Real bummer since I have both an UT and a FL license in addition to our resident LTCH.

 

[Alamo]

...

Texas & Missouri because they now allow military and veterans who are 19 to obtain a license.

Minor nit: in Texas, it is 18 (not 19) if you are military or veteran. There are some other states that have reciprocity or otherwise recognize Texas CHLs for those 21 or above only. Minnesota could have done this as well, but apparently chose not to.

 

[rhino]

The least they could do after this nonsense is allow people from out of state to get MN permits.

 

[VERT]

The least they could do after this nonsense is allow people from out of state to get MN permits.

I think they do but it requires actually going to MN to get the permit. Funny how a "pro gun" bill to make it easier to accept reciprocity resulted in States getting dropped. Seems like FL and UT licensing process is not appreciated the way we would like to think.

 

[rhino]

I think they do but it requires actually going to MN to get the permit. Funny how a "pro gun" bill to make it easier to accept reciprocity resulted in States getting dropped. Seems like FL and UT licensing process is not appreciated the way we would like to think.

You are correct! I was just on the MN DPS web site and on my way back here to amend my message.

Too bad we didn't know this was coming. We could have gone there while our UT CFPs were still valid and taken the training course and applied at a sheriff's office. Then we'd have received our MN permits in the mail within 30 days. Oh, wait. We're not psychic.

Naturally, no response to my email. Perhaps they will choose to respond via USPS mail. I shall not hold my breath.

 

[Bill of Rights]

You are correct! I was just on the MN DPS web site and on my way back here to amend my message.

Too bad we didn't know this was coming. We could have gone there while our UT CFPs were still valid and taken the training course and applied at a sheriff's office. Then we'd have received our MN permits in the mail within 30 days. Oh, wait. We're not psychic.

Naturally, no response to my email. Perhaps they will choose to respond via USPS mail. I shall not hold my breath.

Good choice. You might turn somewhat purple-ish.... oh wait.....