MSNBC Poll part 2: Panera Bread

[speedracer302]

Please stop posting inaccurate statements.

Here is another section from the code:

FIREARMS LAWS OF MICHIGAN — 2013
POLICE:
A reserve police officer, by carrying a handgun in a holster that is in plain view, does not violate section 234e of the Michigan
Penal Code, which prohibits brandishing a firearm in public.


I lived there for 43 years and people are not open carrying. I had a CCW for 10 years and have many gun carrying friends. People are not commonly open carrying.

Its funny to see someone post that I should stop posting inaccurate info....

 

[actaeon277]

Its not an inaccurate statement.... In michigan you are required to take a CCW coarse to learn the rules prior to obtaining a license. I spent a week of my life after work going to a class on Michigans gun laws. The license is a concealed carry. You can be charged if your concealed weapon is viewed by someone even accidentally (though an accidental charge is not likely). The coarse instructor called it brandishing which as I noted would likely apply to an accidental view.

750.234e Brandishing firearm in public; applicability; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.
Sec. 234e. (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person shall not knowingly brandish a firearm in public.
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to any of the following:
(a) A peace officer lawfully performing his or her duties as a peace officer.
(b) A person lawfully engaged in hunting.
(c) A person lawfully engaged in target practice.
(d) A person lawfully engaged in the sale, purchase, repair, or transfer of that firearm.
(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days, or
a fine of not more than $100.00, or both.

Section 234e..... KNOWINGLY.

You stated that a person could be charged if your weapon is viewed by someone accidentally.


Also, as to brandishing
And brandishing is to shake or wave a weapon menacingly.
or to exhibit in an ostentatious or aggressive manner.

 

[actaeon277]

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LE...54_7.pdf/RK=0/RS=wJDP2beytNgY3vOQDRlSKM.ZZUI-

And this document say a CPL holder is not required to carry open, or concealed.
And it states that open carry is NOT brandishing.
This document was created to clear up misinformation and distributed to the Michigan State Police.

 

[actaeon277]

Here is another section from the code:

FIREARMS LAWS OF MICHIGAN — 2013
POLICE:
A reserve police officer, by carrying a handgun in a holster that is in plain view, does not violate section 234e of the Michigan
Penal Code, which prohibits brandishing a firearm in public.


I lived there for 43 years and people are not open carrying. I had a CCW for 10 years and have many gun carrying friends. People are not commonly open carrying.

Its funny to see someone post that I should stop posting inaccurate info....

Because you have not seen it, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.
They have had a few cases of the police being mistaken, thats why they had to use that document to clear things up.
Basically, court cases were costing them too much.

 

[actaeon277]

Lawsuit Filed After Open Carry Incident | Fox17

Open Carry Is Legal in Michigan ? That?s Why the Confrontation in This Video Has Sparked a Federal Lawsuit | Video | TheBlaze.com

Grand Rapids open-carry lawsuit mirrors case at Coast Guard Festival in Grand Haven | MLive.com

 

[actaeon277]

CMDA - Newsroom: Latest News

GUN WATCH: MI:Lawsuit says Open Carry is Political Speech, Police Knew Carry was Legal

 

[drillsgt]

Michigan police still have a ways to go on the whole open carry thing.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I lived there for 43 years and people are not open carrying. I had a CCW for 10 years and have many gun carrying friends. People are not commonly open carrying.

Its funny to see someone post that I should stop posting inaccurate info....

They aren't? You might want to check out this link.
List Your Open Carry Experiences Here
Heck a CPL holder can even legally open carry a few places that they can't conceal, such as schools.
W. Bloomfield dad openly carries gun in school - Fox 2 News Headlines

Because you have not seen it, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.
They have had a few cases of the police being mistaken, thats why they had to use that document to clear things up.
Basically, court cases were costing them too much.

Yep, I've only seen open carry a couple times in IN. Doesn't mean that people (including myself) don't do it.

 

[speedracer302]

OK Ok I fold. Thanks for all of the follow-up. I dont live there any more and am happy to have a LTCH vs. the CCW in Michigan. Based on the postings, there are people being hassled by the law (obviously there is some lack of understanding). I am not interested in being interrogated when Im at an event with my family.

Bottom line from my side - I paid an instructor to layout the rules and I had to pass a test on the material. The point about others seeng the concealed firearm was very clear and covered a few times. Wright or wrong, I never challenged the instructors direction. I got my CCW and carried concealed.

Good discussion.

 

[actaeon277]

OK Ok I fold. Thanks for all of the follow-up. I dont live there any more and am happy to have a LTCH vs. the CCW in Michigan. Based on the postings, there are people being hassled by the law (obviously there is some lack of understanding). I am not interested in being interrogated when Im at an event with my family.

Bottom line from my side - I paid an instructor to layout the rules and I had to pass a test on the material. The point about others seeng the concealed firearm was very clear and covered a few times. Wright or wrong, I never challenged the instructors direction. I got my CCW and carried concealed.

Good discussion.

Its one of the reasons I like INGO.
Discussion. Counterpoints. Quoting codes.
I can't understand why people get bent out of shape all the time.
Personally, I'd rather learn. If I'm wrong, I want to know.

And instructors are people. They make mistakes. They get wrong info. They have bad days.

 

[USA#1]

77% I voted early and often.

 

[KS588]

Yeah. Ridiculous spin. I did vote though.

Same here. The wordy was horrible but I had to vote anyway. Leave it to libtards to word polls in such ways.