New Indiana religious freedom bill

[Ruffnek]

Religious freedom bill coming to Indiana

I'm not pro-gay,nor am I anti-religion,or vice versa(I realize that it isn't just about gays but that is the biggest issue right now).I'm pro-freedom.I support this bill because it backs up the right to the free exercise of religion and strengthens the Constitution.

Summary for those who don't read the link:
This bill will allow businesses to deny their services based on their religious convictions.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

But a version of the measure says the state's actions "shall not burden a person's right to exercise of religion," unless the government can demonstrate...

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ...

Isn't it funny that just like the second amendment, we find ourselves pushing back against infringements of the first.

 

[Denny347]

 

[Twangbanger]

Mm Hmm...

 

[jwh20]

Isn't it funny that just like the second amendment, we find ourselves pushing back against infringements of the first.

No, it's not funny but it's entirely in character. Don't lose sight that this year (2014) the US Senate tried to pass an amendment to the US Constitution to LIMIT the 1st Amendment. Also note that US Senator from Indiana Joe Donnelly SUPPORTED it.

Senate Democrats Fail to Amend the First Amendment - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Please keep that in mind when he comes up again in 2018. Unfortunately that's still a long way off and unseating incumbents is extraordinarily difficult.

But certainly not impossible!!

 

[88GT]

Who here doesn't support this bill?

 

[jblomenberg16]

What is unfortunate is that we have to even have bill proposed to address this situation. Since when are business owners legally required to offer their services to everyone? Clearly there are ADA, equal opportunity, and other laws that pertain to accessibility, hiring practices, etc. But are there currently laws that require a private business owner from refusing service to someone?

 

[Twangbanger]

Not this again...

 

[TiMMaY]

Where do your right end and mine begin? I look at the gay couple being refused service at the bakery the same as the business owner who does not want me to carry a handgun in their store. I will go down the street to the store that wants my money. I love how everyone is just waiting to be offended so they have something to complain about on Facebook.

 

[Denny347]

Who here doesn't support this bill?

(Devil's advocate here) I have issue that this ONLY addresses sexual orientation. If the bill authors want to free business, free them from ALL discrimination. Why not allow them to refuse service to ethnic groups, genders, religious affiliations, etc? That would be real freedom. I sense pandering on a hot topic.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

(Devil's advocate here) I have issue that this ONLY addresses sexual orientation. If the bill authors want to free business, free them from ALL discrimination. Why not allow them to refuse service to ethnic groups, genders, religious affiliations, etc? That would be real freedom. I sense pandering on a hot topic.

Absolutely. Let's go back to segregated restaurants and the ability to advertise preferred races in houseing ads. Anything less is hating liberty.

 

[KLB]

Why is this needed in IN? The cases in other states have had state laws making the actions of the businesses illegal. We have no such laws in this state.

 

[88GT]

Absolutely. Let's go back to segregated restaurants and the ability to advertise preferred races in houseing ads. Anything less is hating liberty.

Why not? We segregate for other areas of our society.

It is an over-reach of government to dictate to private citizens how they conduct their business, no matter how moral you think the dictate may be.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Why is this needed in IN? The cases in other states have had state laws making the actions of the businesses illegal. We have no such laws in this state.

Douchecanoes. Thats why. If I'm told I'm not welcome because of ___________ I take my business elsewhere. I dont take them to court and force them to take my money when I can just as easily find someone who DOES support my views.

Much like unions arent as necessary as they used to be back in the 19th century thanks to things like OSHA, we dont need people forced to do business with others when its against their moral/religious ethic. This aint Mayberry, Walnut Grove, etc where there is only ONE proprietor to get your good/service from which would prevent you from getting what you need. Now you can virtually walk across the street to find someone who DOES share your views.

 

[snorko]

The hospital that I walked into while having a heart attack this spring is affiliated with the Catholic Church. I am glad that a belief in transmutation was not required for treatment.

 

[Denny347]

Absolutely. Let's go back to segregated restaurants and the ability to advertise preferred races in houseing ads. Anything less is hating liberty.

Not that I believe it. I just love playing devils advocate.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

This bill will allow businesses to deny their services based on their religious convictions.

Who here doesn't support this bill?

So I would be able to deny police services to anyone that was of a religion I don't practice, support, or agree with? Would police departments be broken down into religious sub-sets instead of districts in order to provide services to the community they cover? Will dispatchers ask for religious affiliation when taking calls for service so that they send the "proper" officer?

 

[IndyGal65]

So I would be able to deny police services to anyone that was of a religion I don't practice, support, or agree with? Would police departments be broken down into religious sub-sets instead of districts in order to provide services to the community they cover? Will dispatchers ask for religious affiliation when taking calls for service so that they send the "proper" officer?

 

[Cameramonkey]

I think an important point is the delineation between critical public services and private enterprise. Should Frank et al be able to deny service during the day as a peace officer, fire fighter, etc.? No. Should he be free to not bake a wedding cake in his after hours profession? Yes. While his "client" cant call another cop, he/she CAN call another baker. That is a critical detail.

If there is competition, discretion should be given to the service provider. If it's a public service or monopoly, no.

 

[atvdave]

So I would be able to deny police services to anyone that was of a religion I don't practice, support, or agree with? Would police departments be broken down into religious sub-sets instead of districts in order to provide services to the community they cover? Will dispatchers ask for religious affiliation when taking calls for service so that they send the "proper" officer?

Good point.... so would any business or government services that receive tax money from it's citizens be exempted from this bill?