No firearms signs carry weight of law in Indiana?

[Timjoebillybob]

You missed my point. "you are never allowed here" is MUCH different than "you are allowed to be here except..." each will get a different response from LEOs. (Hey buddy, you know you arent allowed to be here! vs did you know you cant be here with that?) That is my point.

And see post 14.

Both responses can happen.

Nope, I didn't miss your point. It can be put as "You are never allowed entry unless you are not in possession of firearms".

I saw post 14, just because it can go both ways, doesn't mean it doesn't have force of law. Most officers won't pull you over for 3 mph over the limit, that doesn't mean that the sign that says Speed Limit 35 MPH doesn't have force of law until you hit 39 mph.

 

[SteveM4A1]

My question is asking if the law speaks to this or if it is silent. What I am gathering thus far is that it is silent on the issue. I'm originally from Michigan, but I moved to Tennessee, then Kentucky, now across the Ohio to Indiana. Basically I'm just trying to keep up with the law. There are quite a lot of No Firearms sign in Louisville, KY it seems. So I am coming from that context.

No firearms signs (or no concealed deadly weapons signs for Kentucky) are the same in Kentucky as in Indiana. So go about how you would normally. I guess your are thinking of KRS237.110 (17) where it specifically states that ignoring no firearms signs carries no criminal penalty, but you can be trespassed from the property. Indiana doesn't have that specific language in the IC (at least that I am aware of).

 

[Cameramonkey]

Nope, I didn't miss your point. It can be put as "You are never allowed entry unless you are not in possession of firearms".

I saw post 14, just because it can go both ways, doesn't mean it doesn't have force of law. Most officers won't pull you over for 3 mph over the limit, that doesn't mean that the sign that says Speed Limit 35 MPH doesn't have force of law until you hit 39 mph.

fine. You win. I'll make sure I have Guy Relford on speed dial and retainer before I ignore a no guns sign again.

 

[Fargo]

fine. You win. I'll make sure I have Guy Relford on speed dial and retainer before I ignore a no guns sign again.

Last I looked, I don't think Guy does criminal defense but that might have changed. Plus, you probably want to be more worried about having bail lined up on a misdemeanor arrest.

Very few to none of the signs I've seen in Indiana satisfy the criminal trespass statute, but if properly worded it appears to me that they certainly could.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

fine. You win. I'll make sure I have Guy Relford on speed dial and retainer before I ignore a no guns sign again.

It's not about winning. And it's not just a "no guns" sign, or the gun buster pistol with a slash through it. And Guy Relford is the one who brought this up in one of his scenarios on here. Here is the thread.
https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/carry-issues-self-defense/58317-you-going-jail.html

Last I looked, I don't think Guy does criminal defense but that might have changed. Plus, you probably want to be more worried about having bail lined up on a misdemeanor arrest.

Very few to none of the signs I've seen in Indiana satisfy the criminal trespass statute, but if properly worded it appears to me that they certainly could.

I haven't seen any, except maybe Chuck E Cheese. It says something along the lines of "Firearms are prohibited, except for on duty law enforcement personnel, anyone else in possession of a firearm will be treated as a trespasser". Which while IANAL wouldn't quite meet the criteria.

 

[Libertarian01]

Friends, Gentlemen, Brothers in Arms -

My only point in bringing up the possible "cuffed and stuffed" scenario was not to start WWII 1/2, but rather to make certain that all the well meaning and good intentioned answers the OP received did not lead him into a possible (though extremely unlikely) situation where he believed he could NEVER be arrested for violating a no firearms sign in Indiana.

Kind Regards,

Doug

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Friends, Gentlemen, Brothers in Arms -

My only point in bringing up the possible "cuffed and stuffed" scenario was not to start WWII 1/2, but rather to make certain that all the well meaning and good intentioned answers the OP received did not lead him into a possible (though extremely unlikely) situation where he believed he could NEVER be arrested for violating a no firearms sign in Indiana.

Kind Regards,

Doug

No worries. And no warfare from my side. That is my intention in posting also. And if you hadn't brought it up, I would have.

 

[bradbler]

I wouldn't test it. if somebody owns a property and doesn't want guns on it. that's their right, just me.