No-Fly Zone to be enforced by "Shoot-To-Kill" order during Chicago NATO Summit

[J_Wales]

What?


I can control what you bring on my property, why cant they? I may not like it so I won't go. If someone chooses to violate the rules, just be ready to suffer any consequences.



Being ATC in the Indiana Guard I am very aware of the TFR surrounding the Superbowl. I'm simply asking where Rambones post was in regards to this?

Fair answer, Sir. Save the zone is not limited to private property but includes public property.

 

[IndyDave1776]

If they are that worried that some malcontent with a Cessna is going to fry the lot of them, why don't they simply hold their meeting at a secure location. We certainly have plentyu of those in locations which will not disrupt commerce and travel (I would believe that most private avaition is for a gainful purpose, not simply aerial dicking around) in one of the nation's busiest cities. Of course, that would not allow any display of force, practice in people control, and would squander a good opportunity to further acclimate the sheeple to being controlled by personnel in the continuum between LEOs and troops.

 

[Jake46184]

This is exactly as it should be. Who with any common-sense would object?????

 

[strahd71]

This is exactly as it should be. Who with any common-sense would object?????

i just object because i like too

seriously tho, i dont think its a huge deal really. i dont like it, i understand it, i know it happens often when there is a big event and yet no one has been shot down.

some one earlier was talking about stuff on the ground being a bigger deal.....BINGO! be interesting to see how it goes down, there are often riots at these things anyhow, plus we have the occupiers around the nation, plus the general mood of the country heck the world is pretty poor.

prolly nothing will happen of any import but it will be interesting to watch

jake

 

[jedi]

We haven't even begun to see what kind of measures they'll be taking on the ground. Stay the hell away from there between May 19-21.

[/CENTER]

Guess you have not done your homework then.
The feds are creating 2 RED ZONEs beginning THRS (before the summit) to MON night.

NATO Summit Security Zones Revealed - Gapers Block Mechanics | Chicago

The City of Chicago will have a "freeze zone" around the Daley Complex (2 blocks in each direction) that will have security checkpoints (ie. bag inspections) and no vehicle traffic per the protestor's website (google it).

At both of these zones police in swat gear (ie. sbr, full auto, etc..) will be en force and bunkered in.

Chicago will be a war zone from the looks of it.
-Jedi

 

[IndyDave1776]

This is exactly as it should be. Who with any common-sense would object?????

that depends entirely upon how you define common sense. If your 'common sense' is predicated on the rights of certain personages to be free from so much as the awareness of protest and the belief that their safety, security, and convenience trumps the lawful use of public property (including but not limited to streets and sidewalks) in the execution of legal activities, and also use of private property for lawful activities which has the bad luck of falling inside their little--OK, not so little--controlled area, just because the .gov had its collective head up its orifice when selecting the location, or else deliberately created this situation as a vehicle to remind the rest of us who is boss, then you are absolutely correct. This is indeed a common sense measure, as are most encroachments on the rights of the people performed in the name of necessity.

If you start with the wise words of William Pitt, that necessity is the argument of tyrants and the creed of slaves, then your idea of commons sense would tell you that we had better change direction quickly if in the future the United States can be said to be a free republic.

 

[threefiftyfour]

I plan on being in the Chicago area with my baseball glove, so I can catch a lucky souvenir from one of the many planes shot down.

 

[cobber]

Chicago is going to be the safest place on the planet for a few days.

Remember when the last Mayor Daley decommissioned Meigs Field? They never had any airborne incidents after that!

 

[littletommy]

I find it ironic that, given Chicagos gun control stance, and how well they have handled crime there, that they would threaten violence upon a hapless aviator. If a plane should happen to stray into the "zone" on those dates, they should try community intervention, or some sort of counseling before ever thinking of using violence as a solution. Hell, just do it the old fashioned Chicago way and bribe the pilot to fly somewhere else, is that so hard? I am appalled, to say the least.

 

[elwoodward]

This is SOP. There will be clearance offered to certain flights. Local Samaritan choppers get clearance for medivacs and such.

This is no different than the airspace around AF1 or Marine 1 when the president flies.

Not news and has been happening for quite some time with political shake and howdies.

Special clearance for Air medical is not needed for Air medical Choppers even when AF1 or Marine 1 are flying through. Air medical always right of way. Talked to a Pilot for Air Methods from Kentucky they fly out many of our Patients due to our rural area. He told us about the one time in the past 20 years that he got to interrupt the presidents flight plan to land at U of L.

 

[jedi]

Special clearance for Air medical is not needed for Air medical Choppers even when AF1 or Marine 1 are flying through. Air medical always right of way. Talked to a Pilot for Air Methods from Kentucky they fly out many of our Patients due to our rural area. He told us about the one time in the past 20 years that he got to interrupt the presidents flight plan to land at U of L.

That was before BO became prez.

 

[cobber]

Special clearance for Air medical is not needed for Air medical Choppers even when AF1 or Marine 1 are flying through. Air medical always right of way. Talked to a Pilot for Air Methods from Kentucky they fly out many of our Patients due to our rural area. He told us about the one time in the past 20 years that he got to interrupt the presidents flight plan to land at U of L.

So all the terrorists have to do is hijack a medevac chopper and they get right through?

(They already tried that with Air Force One and failed.)

http://youtu.be/sOUoNy7EmPA

 

[jedi]

(They already tried that with Air Force One and failed.)

http://youtu.be/sOUoNy7EmPA

Well duh! You can't mess with "Indiana Solo"! Some other prez I'm not sure.

 

[24Carat]

Airspace trivia question: Where is the only permanent prohibited area in Indiana?

Hint: it is round, one mile across and starts at the surface up to 3000 MSL.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Someone mind sending me a PM when the air-to-air taser is perfected?

It's going to be far more likely that things end up going wrong on the ground than in the air as far as rights violations. It's been declared for a long time that anything over 200ft AGL and you're in FAA owned airspace, and your presence is a privilege not a right, and for many years they've been willing to kill if you exercise that privilege when they say no. When AF1 was at KORD with Mr. Executive Orders outrank the rest of the government, there was a lady that didn't bring her radio, didn't check any TFRs or NOTAMs and flew right into restricted airspace, and got an F-16 escort out, after she figured out they weren't their just because they thought her Piper Cub was cute; so it's quite a while before they get to the point they actually will shoot.
Pilot Myrtle Rose, 75, entered restricted airspace during Obama's Chicago visit | Mail Online

Unless there's been a change in the past half-dozen years, controlled airspace starts at the Surface in Class A airspace, 700 ft AGL inside Class B,C,and D airspace and at 1200 ft. AGL in Class E airspace.

You can complain about the theoretical injustice of controlling the airspace above you - where most of you can't get on your own - but the folks charged with the responsibility of protecting the foreign dignitaries (yeah, I know) have to look at all the potential threats and suiciding an aircraft into the meeting place is one of the least sophisticated methods of mass destruction available. Also, looking at the potential for OWS-type violence that's plagued such meetings in the past, it's incumbent on the hosts to provide as much protection as possible. Of course, if it were a Tea Party demonstration, the gubbmint wouldn't have to worry about folks misbehaving . . .

 

[sloughfoot]

Here is the letter from the FAA. Pretty scary stuff indeed.

https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2012/Apr/2012_NATO_Summit_Chicago_Flight_Advisory.pdf

 

[sloughfoot]

Here is the FAA letter for the G-8 Summit. Pretty scary stuff......

http://download.aopa.org/epilot/2012/120427camp-david.pdf

 

[Palarran]

Airspace trivia question: Where is the only permanent prohibited area in Indiana?

There aren't any prohibited areas in Indiana, only restricted areas. The one you're thinking about is Crane, R-3404.

 

[Palarran]

Yeah, this is no big deal, it happens all the time. D.C. has a permanent one of these running 24/7. Pilots don't like it, and we've complained about it to the gov to no end. We're stuck with them until the attitudes of those who have the power to make these decisions change in a big way. I'm not holding my breath.

IMO, the real reason these are in place is to provide a mechanism to deal with those who inadvertently bust them without hurting anyone. They aren't going to stop a terrorist attack. If the government thought that someone was a clear and present threat*, I believe they'd shoot first and ask questions later.

*This threat would look like someone flying a jet close to the edge of the TFR, turning off their transponder and radios, and making a beeline for a target. A Cessna skirting the edge out of radio contact is not viewed as an immediate threat, and therefore gets the aerial interception treatment.

 

[hondatech2k2]

Fan freaking tastic.......and to think my lovely wife suckered me in to going to her friends wedding the 19th!!!!! Oh what a joyful time I will have at the hands of the gestapo. Good thing I decided against packing that day....