NWI INGO General Post - Part 10

[1775usmarine]

Sadclown; "skilled labor" has a specific meaning and you know it. I, too, work for a railroad and in my company a shop laborer goes through 4-6 weeks of training before being allowed to step foot on the shop floor. This ain't retail where you can be taught the basics of the job and left on your own after a week. The car side can be much more difficult than the locomotive side as there are many different types of cars and they all have their own set of acceptable inspection parameters, not to mention owner-specific requirements. On the locomotive side we don't have as many different models to deal with, but they are much more technically advanced. Todays' locomotive has more computers running it than the space shuttle had flight computers. If you think that RR's aren't "skilled labor" ask around on INGO, I know of several people with years of experience in the automotive, heavy truck, and construction equipment repair fields that cannot get into the RR because of lack of qualifications.
Don't denigrate that which you have zero knowledge of.

CTC if your an engineer or conductor yeah you really have no life, and Bill I agree with you 100%.

 

[sadclownwp]

In other news, I still have 2 Smith and Wesson M&P9's, Full Size, no safety, no mag disconnect. These are brand new, only taken out of the box to write down the serial numbers when I got them. I am looking to trade them for something else. I don't know what. I have so many M&P's and these two are just sitting there. Let me know what you have to trade.

 

[jedi]

If you think for a second that the government is not going to tap into that in the future, you are lying to yourself.

BINGO

The day that happens there will be a massive stand still and there isn't enough people who can be hired and trained to fill the jobs to keep the economy from tanking in that short amount of time.

BINGO again but it does not matter.
Those on social security (ie. the baby boomers, ie the "greatest generation (yeah right!)") out number us all and will DEMAND that not their entitlement gets cut. In order to temporary plug the hole that is coming (medicare is out of funds by 2016/2017, SS retirement by 2030) that pot of money RRB has is looking more and more and more tempting.

RR workers do not outnumber the voters and you will end the end get screwed. Strike you will and good for you. The masses will NOT care about your pension. They want their entitlement and will get it. I can see the .gov taking over the RR industry to put an end to your strike (ie. the greedy RR companies are making too much money, the RR workers need the .gov protection is how it will be sold to the masses) so that food/goods are bad on the shelfs. The masses will agree to federalize the RRs so that the goods continue and in the end the RR owners will be out of their companies and you the workers will have lost your pensions as well.

Search your heart you know this to be true, LUKE. You can not escape the dark side.

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Meh PinkDragon let them fight among themseleves. The .gov is happy when they do this. Much easier to control them this way.

 

[sadclownwp]

Meh PinkDragon let them fight among themseleves. The .gov is happy when they do this. Much easier to control them this way.

I'm not fighting, I just think union members are a constant source of entertainment. They justify themselves like socialists justify themselves. They feverishly defend there profession because they know they actually are replaceable. That is why they have to do things in mass, it is a great strategy, one I respect very much. Use the tools you have, union members alone have very few tools to justify their pay, but collectively, their voices can be heard. The problem for them one day will come when the companies get sick of it and are able to replaces them by the masses hungry for food. And as Jedi stated, it is coming. They can deny it all they want, but the government will suck money from anywhere it can get it when they need it. After all what good would a law be if it didn't punish the right people. Union members just aren't the right people yet.

 

[1775usmarine]

I'm not fighting, I just think union members are a constant source of entertainment. They justify themselves like socialists justify themselves. They feverishly defend there profession because they know they actually are replaceable. That is why they have to do things in mass, it is a great strategy, one I respect very much. Use the tools you have, union members alone have very few tools to justify their pay, but collectively, their voices can be heard. The problem for them one day will come when the companies get sick of it and are able to replaces them by the masses hungry for food. And as Jedi stated, it is coming. They can deny it all they want, but the government will suck money from anywhere it can get it when they need it. After all what good would a law be if it didn't punish the right people. Union members just aren't the right people yet.

If you think the railroad workers can be replaced in less than 24 hrs to prevent the economy from tanking you live in a fantasy world.

 

[jedi]

One slight correction. Companies will replace them (union workers) with robots with AI as time goes by.
That is after all the 'perfect' worker (from a boss's point of view).
No coffee break
No vacation
Can work 24/7/365
No need to "train"
No having to "agree" to a contract
Heck no need to pay them (just maintenance cost)

and before you think that is not possible for your job just look at The LEGO Company.
The entire production of making a LEGO brick is done by robots! From the creation of the brick to quality control to packaging it.
The factory has just a handful of human involvement. I would not consider those robots having AI but Japan has been feverishly working on AI for there "human like" robots. The days are numbered.

 

[jedi]

If you think the railroad workers can be replaced in less than 24 hrs to prevent the economy from tanking you live in a fantasy world.

No one said they are going to replace you.
By executive order you will be federalized and forced to get back to work as a newly minted .gov worker.

 

[lonehoosier]

That was fast!

It's always nice when you have the right tools for the job. Also in the late 90s I used to work for Bob's Small Engine and commercial repair shop in Munster.

 

[1775usmarine]

No one said they are going to replace you.
By executive order you will be federalized and forced to get back to work as a newly minted .gov worker.

People would catch on before that happens. How will these robots get out to M479 on county line road Laporte/Porter to assist a train that is in emergency?

 

[sadclownwp]

If you think the railroad workers can be replaced in less than 24 hrs to prevent the economy from tanking you live in a fantasy world.

Where did you pull 24 hours from. I have been saying 8 weeks or less. Hell if BP started spending money on high school training programs, they could have every journeyman replaced in three years by fresh high school grads willing to take 12 bucks an hour, and then just dismiss the union guys. Actually if the company was smart, they would already have this plan in the works.

 

[baddyna96]

I'm not fighting, I just think union members are a constant source of entertainment. They justify themselves like socialists justify themselves. They feverishly defend there profession because they know they actually are replaceable. That is why they have to do things in mass, it is a great strategy, one I respect very much. Use the tools you have, union members alone have very few tools to justify their pay, but collectively, their voices can be heard. The problem for them one day will come when the companies get sick of it and are able to replaces them by the masses hungry for food. And as Jedi stated, it is coming. They can deny it all they want, but the government will suck money from anywhere it can get it when they need it. After all what good would a law be if it didn't punish the right people. Union members just aren't the right people yet.

Whoa! I think the young sadclown would be well served by taking some time and research the history of labor unions from the beginning. Surely, he isn't advocating for us to go back to the "good ole days"?

 

[MTN]

I understand, I have stated a simple request and you can't comply. I get it, not everyone is up the the challenge in front of them, it's ok. You talk of contradiction and then speak of union members as wealthy. If they are wealthy, they are not in the middle class.

I did my research. Still seems like a fresh out of high school job to me. I know you may consider it to be skilled labor. I have seen truly skilled labor. Anything that you can start off doing with 8 weeks of training is not skilled labor. Even if it requires that you continue to learn on the job. I know it might be skilled labor to you. No one is contesting that. But if it only takes 8 weeks of training to start off, then it is just entry level. In all honesty though, it seems to take as much skill as playing world of warcraft and being in a top 100 progression guild.

Working outside in a skilled trade and world of Warcraft is totally different. I work with natural gas everyday. So your saying that's not a skilled job because it's union. I have to know what to do and what not to do, so there's not a release or ignition of gas. Digging around gas lines, electric, water, sewer, phone, fiber optic. There's certain rules and regs I have to know and there always changing. I retest for my job every year and have to hold a cdl for my job.

I respect your opinion on this topic. But if you don't know what a certain job consists of your opinion is invalid to me. Physical skilled labor is what I choose for my career. I take pride in what I do and do for the community. I'm in the eyes and ears of the public all the time and I present myself in a professional manner at all time.

Just remember if you ever have gas leak at your place in the middle of winter and your heat goes out. It's a skilled Union worker coming out to fix it for you.

 

[jedi]

People would catch on before that happens. How will these robots get out to M479 on county line road Laporte/Porter to assist a train that is in emergency?

One thing at a time.
The robot thing is still decades away in this country. GPS/sensors all over the place solves position location issues. We still have a "man in the middle" on the US AirFroce UAVs but that is ONLY people the .gov is too afraid of the PR mess of dealing with war machines that they "don't directly" control. UAVs however can be sent at this point in time to blow up whatever with no direction from a person.

As for the people will catch on.
What people? The want their food. The media will portray the RR (company) as a greedy evil rich person that does not want to share what they did not built. The workers (that do not agree to be .gov and get BACK to work) will be called unpatriotic. We are in a crisis! The children are not getting their .gov free breakfast or lunch because the RR is not working. Think of the children. But fine you don't want to work that is OK. We will FORCE you for the betterment of the country.

 

[1775usmarine]

Where did you pull 24 hours from. I have been saying 8 weeks or less. Hell if BP started spending money on high school training programs, they could have every journeyman replaced in three years by fresh high school grads willing to take 12 bucks an hour, and then just dismiss the union guys. Actually if the company was smart, they would already have this plan in the works.

I guess you forgot the snow storm of Jan 2014 how it snarled train traffic to and from Chicago for weeks, and this was with crews working 24/7 trying to get the rails cleaned out and trains moving. You have a massive walk off and that storm will be small compared to the havoc the economy will take trying to fill all those jobs as fast as possible. 12 bucks? Then again this generation doesn't want to do physical labor .they want to sit in front of a computer all day or behind a counter barely doing anything remotely physical while getting paid the same we do.

 

[MTN]

Hey im going on a gas leak in valpo right now, anyone what to watch skilled Union labor in action.

 

[sadclownwp]

I guess you forgot the snow storm of Jan 2014 how it snarled train traffic to and from Chicago for weeks, and this was with crews working 24/7 trying to get the rails cleaned out and trains moving. You have a massive walk off and that storm will be small compared to the havoc the economy will take trying to fill all those jobs as fast as possible. 12 bucks? Then again this generation doesn't want to do physical labor .they want to sit in front of a computer all day or behind a counter barely doing anything remotely physical while getting paid the same we do.

So you are an advocate of working harder not smarter?

 

[armybrat1]

Well speaking from someone that has a college education, and spent time in the military......I commend Union workers and their skills. How many recent college graduates are out of work or under employed? The wave of the future is skilled labor. The word "skilled" can mean many things. Am I "skilled" because I sat in classes for four years? Am I "skilled" because I can throw a grenade or disassemble my M16? You see it all depends on your area of expertise. Everyone brings something to the table....and to remind those who are against assembling for protection of the "masses" as stated previously....wouldn't it have been a shame for, let's say the WWII vets to have not assembled? We would all be wearing Nazi hats and certainly not have the right to play "War Craft", post on sites like these, moreover, own our guns. Unions assemble because they have the right to assemble and protect themselves and develop what is theirs. It is everyone's right to join a union or run solo with whatever it is you are "skilled" at doing.. and,if that happens to be serving in the military, mechanics, or playing "War Craft" have at it.

 

[1775usmarine]

One thing at a time.
The robot thing is still decades away in this country. GPS/sensors all over the place solves position location issues. We still have a "man in the middle" on the US AirFroce UAVs but that is ONLY people the .gov is too afraid of the PR mess of dealing with war machines that they "don't directly" control. UAVs however can be sent at this point in time to blow up whatever with no direction from a person.

As for the people will catch on.
What people? The want their food. The media will portray the RR (company) as a greedy evil rich person that does not want to share what they did not built. The workers (that do not agree to be .gov and get BACK to work) will be called unpatriotic. We are in a crisis! The children are not getting their .gov free breakfast or lunch because the RR is not working. Think of the children. But fine you don't want to work that is OK. We will FORCE you for the betterment of the country.

The media portrays any company as evil for the profits they make..... well except for apple for some reason. The railroad will not go for robots as there are many different variables involved instead of sitting there making lego bricks.

Anyone can haggle for their pay when you go to a job interview they ask what would you like to make. i guess that should be wrong and the company should say you'll make 10 an hr. That's not capitalism that's a company who wants to hold you down so you can't accumulate wealth. The wealth I'm talking about is not the upper 6 g's its those making 60k and up in the shrinking middle class having to pay for people who can't work because they are lazy, or all the .gov programs out there. I'm sorry if people are jealous or pissed rr doesn't pay into social security or when we retire we receive a bigger benefit. It came a year before SS, and its what we wanted. I'm sure the unions will fight hard as hell to keep .gov from putting their fingers into our pot we invested in. Remember we vote for our leadership and if they go against the collective they will be out.
The only loophole closed was the one in the 70's allowing rr employees to double dip into both RR and SS and that was done in the 80's. Currently there is aqpprox 25 billion in our retirement and it has been invested to continue the growth. Again we pay more in tax than those paying SS tax. So if your jealous or whatever then you may of picked the wrong profession. I love trains and this is the greatest job in the world next to my 4yrs I served.

 

[1775usmarine]

So you are an advocate of working harder not smarter?

These jobs need to be done will you sign up?

 

[sadclownwp]

If the job paid right, I would happily sign up.