NWI Ingo General Post

[Bill B]

Then you are taking the wrong classes.

There are plenty of programs you can study that will directly get you into a real world job. Engineering, biomedical technology come to mind but that may be because those are things my daughter is centering on and neither require advanced degrees to get you a good paying job. But both will also get you into grad school if you want for even better jobs. 4 year undergraduate degrees in advanced math, physics and chemistry will also get you research jobs, actuary jobs, etc.

What doesn't get enough hype are vocational skills like welding and being a machinist. Those have been downplayed and they are critical skills that our nation is lacking.

You are correct. He is speaking about the liberal arts and social sciences that are so in vogue.
I am perfectly content making ~$75k doing what I am doing, school is for my own enlightment. I feel sorry for the kids in the LASS thinking their going to make a good life with a degree in comparative literature or basketweaving or whatever.

 

[melensdad]

. . . thinking their going to make a good life with a degree in comparative literature or basketweaving or whatever.

I can't figure out why parents are willing to pay for that crap

I understand that an education, in and of itself can help you grow as a person and all that stuff but if you don't have a job then you are pretty much relegated to living in your parent's basement until you are 35 and screw your life together, while you're doing that you are "disenfranchised" and obviously society "owes you" something because you got your edu-ma-ka-shun in 5 or 6 years studying that which has no purpose but to please your mind.

We need doctors, lawyers(?), scientists, engineers, accountants, mathematicians and other things that colleges put out, but we also need skilled tradesmen and craftsmen and we probably need more of them than anyone realizes. By driving so many kids into colleges and out of trades we are setting many of them up for future failure in life.

 

[Clif45]

One issue with the skilled trades comments. Jobs right now in that market are hard to come by for people fresh out of school. With the job market as it is, are you going to hire me, a certified welder who had nice equipment in school, or are you going to hire the other guy that is just as good as me but has worked in a factory for a few years.

I am still waiting to see that $50/hr job I was told about before I started welding. With jobs starting at $-9/hr, my welding future looks pretty bad.

 

[melensdad]

Clif, nobody is giving anyone anything these days. The thing I know about the trades jobs is that in many cases you may have to go to where the jobs are. Just because you can do a job doesn't mean a job exists in this area. Not really any different than rocket scientist or porn stars. If you want to be a rocket scientist you have to work in one of the few areas where those jobs exist. Ditto porn stars, they don't film those movies locally, got to go to where they do the filming. The region is pretty sparse on all jobs, you may need to relocate to make the big money???

 

[Clif45]

Yep. Aside from the mills I need to head across state lines. I would love to go to Alaska, but I can't do much until the end of may when I finish my bachelors at Purdue.

 

[jedi]

Yep. Aside from the mills I need to head across state lines. I would love to go to Alaska, but I can't do much until the end of may when I finish my bachelors at Purdue.

Oil towns in North Dakota have a ton of skilled craftsman jobs per a recent Yahoo! news article. So many they can't find enough people. But it's out in the middle of now-where and most of the "other jobs/stores (ie. schools, food store, shops, homes, etc..) have not caught up with the area.


-jedi

 

[Clif45]

look at the cost of living in those areas... I can make fat cash there, but my expenses would be about as much as working and living here.

 

[jedi]

New Training Event

FYI we have a new training event in the schedule of events.
INGunOwners - 2012 NWI Events

Fighting Pistol (Lv1) - May 19-20, 2012 @ Nappanee, IN
Contact DarthFader for more information

I'll try and get a scan of the flyer he gave me up by Monday. Looks like a cool class. A Lv0 class is also coming soon from what he told me tonight.

-Jedi

 

[Wild Deuce]

Speaking of training ...

I'm still waiting on GOW to see/reply to my query a few posts back. However, if anyone has access to a private range or land that can accomodate rifle/pistol fire safely without raising a ruckus (neighbors), would you please PM me? I have a friend that needs to try out some of my stuff and I would like to take it one small step further than test firing or plinking. We just need somewhere safe that can give us 0-25 yard distances to practice some real-world gunhandling (at a safe and responsible speed). I'm not talking yahoo, crazy, muzzle waving, cowboy craziness ... just drawing from concealment, malfunction/reload drills, and some movement. He's not a new shooter (former LEO and Certified RSO). He just wants to evaluate different equipment.

If anyone can help, we can compensate by sharing the experience with you or if you would rather get paid ... PM me. Thanks.

 

[jedi]

Speaking of training ...

I'm still waiting on GOW to see/reply to my query a few posts back. However, if anyone has access to a private range or land that can accomodate rifle/pistol fire safely without raising a ruckus (neighbors), would you please PM me? I have a friend that needs to try out some of my stuff and I would like to take it one small step further than test firing or plinking. We just need somewhere safe that can give us 0-25 yard distances to practice some real-world gunhandling (at a safe and responsible speed). I'm not talking yahoo, crazy, muzzle waving, cowboy craziness ... just drawing from concealment, malfunction/reload drills, and some movement. He's not a new shooter (former LEO and Certified RSO). He just wants to evaluate different equipment.

If anyone can help, we can compensate by sharing the experience with you or if you would rather get paid ... PM me. Thanks.

We don't help "you SNOB people" here.
See my PM for more info...

 

[spartan933]

Great. A double murder in Valparaiso. Right down the street where I just bought a house. Fantastic.

 

[jedi]

Great. A double murder in Valparaiso. Right down the street where I just bought a house. Fantastic.

Well you know "you people" are moving SOUTH and WEST from where the .gov originally put you all at so what do u expect.

-Jedi

 

[sadclownwp]

Speaking of training ...

I'm still waiting on GOW to see/reply to my query a few posts back. However, if anyone has access to a private range or land that can accomodate rifle/pistol fire safely without raising a ruckus (neighbors), would you please PM me? I have a friend that needs to try out some of my stuff and I would like to take it one small step further than test firing or plinking. We just need somewhere safe that can give us 0-25 yard distances to practice some real-world gunhandling (at a safe and responsible speed). I'm not talking yahoo, crazy, muzzle waving, cowboy craziness ... just drawing from concealment, malfunction/reload drills, and some movement. He's not a new shooter (former LEO and Certified RSO). He just wants to evaluate different equipment.

If anyone can help, we can compensate by sharing the experience with you or if you would rather get paid ... PM me. Thanks.

PM sent

 

[Andy219]

One issue with the skilled trades comments. Jobs right now in that market are hard to come by for people fresh out of school. With the job market as it is, are you going to hire me, a certified welder who had nice equipment in school, or are you going to hire the other guy that is just as good as me but has worked in a factory for a few years.

I am still waiting to see that $50/hr job I was told about before I started welding. With jobs starting at $-9/hr, my welding future looks pretty bad.

Keep an eye on CN.ca (website for the CN railroad) they always have openings for welders. They pay pretty good and offer great benifits. A lot of jobs come up based out of Homewood IL, Gary IN and the area around. Not sure if its $50/hr but I bet It's close. If you find an opening, you can use me for a reference.

 

[Davegrave]

Great. A double murder in Valparaiso. Right down the street where I just bought a house. Fantastic.

The occasional murder is nothing to worry about. The finest neighborhood in the countries have them too, and suicides, and robberies.

You just want a place where it's not a cultural epidemic, but a freak occasion. The scenario makes a difference too. Was it a gang that execution style murdered 2 rivals? That would scare me because future violence seems likely.

If it was a guy that came home from work early and caught his wife in bed with his friend and went ape-crap...well, that's less likely to be indicative of an ongoing problem.

 

[Bill B]

Keep an eye on CN.ca (website for the CN railroad) they always have openings for welders. They pay pretty good and offer great benifits. A lot of jobs come up based out of Homewood IL, Gary IN and the area around. Not sure if its $50/hr but I bet It's close. If you find an opening, you can use me for a reference.

I work for the Union Pacific and they're getting ~$25 plus bennies.

 

[melensdad]

I work for the Union Pacific and they're getting ~$25 plus bennies.

But Andy gets pain in CANADIAN money

 

[tv1217]

Jediagh call:

Bad boys watcha gon, watcha gon, watcha gonna do?

bowchikka bow ba bow chikaa...

 

[KLB]

Great. A double murder in Valparaiso. Right down the street where I just bought a house. Fantastic.

When was that?

 

[Andy219]

But Andy gets pain in CANADIAN money

Tru dat, but after OT and sometimes welders/track guys get called out and get a days pay for an hours worth of work.