Obama - Does he love America or NOT?

[jwh20]

Unless you've been in suspended animation over the past week you surely have seen the firestorm of activity over Rudy Giuliani's comments about Barack Obama and his love or not of America. Of course some are taking Giuliani's side, others are taking Obama's side, still others are oddly quiet.

Personally, I think Giuliani is right on target but was, IMHO, quite gentle in the words he chose. I'd have likely used terms like "lying sack of sh_t" or "doucheb_g" but that's why I'm not an elected official. I'm guessing that most INGO members are much closer to Giulani's thinking that say the latest from another "doucheb_g" Lindsey Graham:

[video=youtube;hx37QUEsszA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx37QUEsszA[/video]

My question is to any and all INGO members who think Barack Obama actually does love America. Why do you think that? Please explain...

BTW - If you think the way I do about Obama, you can post but I don't really want to pile on. So let anyone who can support Obama speak their mind so the rest of us can perhaps learn something. I'm hoping more than just crickets chirping will be heard here...

 

[KLB]

I think the issue is the perception of what America is and should be. His is nowhere near what many of ours is. I would not say that necessarily means that he does not love our country.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I think the issue is the perception of what America is and should be. His is nowhere near what many of ours is. I would not say that necessarily means that he does not love our country.

This. I think he loves America, but that doesn't mean that his vision of America is consistent with a great many other Americans.

 

[Que]

I think the media and many politicians bring this very issue up to be divisive, but of course they will point at Obama and say that's the pot...

 

[Blackhawk2001]

I think I disagree with both of you to this extent: yes, his vision for America would make the Founders spin at gas turbine velocity in their graves. But he evinces no sincere sympathy for the people whose lives he is ruining by pursuing his vision for America - despite his verbal expressions to the contrary, and until compelled by public opinion, he has shown little respect for American traditions and practices when they don't suit his purposes.


Besides all that, his whole early life he was immersed in the company of people who hated America, or at the least were indifferent to it. I don't know how he could be expected to have developed a patriotic "love of country" for a place he has always been told is corrupt and was founded illegitimately upon the backs of (half) his people.


On another note, since he will obviously say or do anything to advance his goals, it's difficult to place any credence in anything he has to say - his actions speak much louder than his words.

 

[Jeremy1066]

Should have included a poll!

 

[phylodog]

I've seen no evidence that he loves this country. I think he loves what he thinks this country should be.

 

[halfmileharry]

Should have included a poll!

With Obama in the picture this Poll couldn't include bacon. Allergies or such I think.
Does Obama love America? I think he loves the property he's trying to make into something else. Reminds me of a Carpetbagger

 

[Kutnupe14]

I've seen no evidence that he loves this country. I think he loves what he thinks this country should be.

What evidence have other presidents illustrated that makes you believe they love this country?

 

[phylodog]

Holding a hand over the heart (or saluting the flag) during the National Anthem would be a nice start. Visiting veterans with some regularity would be nice. Perhaps showing a little respect for the laws of this nation and his position rather than seeking out ways to circumvent the checks and balances which were put in place to prevent his office from becoming a dictatorship.

 

[churchmouse]

I think I disagree with both of you to this extent: yes, his vision for America would make the Founders spin at gas turbine velocity in their graves. But he evinces no sincere sympathy for the people whose lives he is ruining by pursuing his vision for America - despite his verbal expressions to the contrary, and until compelled by public opinion, he has shown little respect for American traditions and practices when they don't suit his purposes.


Besides all that, his whole early life he was immersed in the company of people who hated America, or at the least were indifferent to it. I don't know how he could be expected to have developed a patriotic "love of country" for a place he has always been told is corrupt and was founded illegitimately upon the backs of (half) his people.


On another note, since he will obviously say or do anything to advance his goals, it's difficult to place any credence in anything he has to say - his actions speak much louder than his words.

This fits as I see it.

 

[phylodog]

What evidence have other presidents illustrated that makes you believe they love this country?

They held a hand over their heart or saluted the flag, visited wounded veterans and showed some respect for the laws of this nation.

 

[2A_Tom]

I don't believe he loves bacon.

 

[Slawburger]

IBTNSA

In Before The NSA

 

[Que]

I've seen no evidence that he loves this country. I think he loves what he thinks this country should be.

I can agree with this. I love the ideal of America, even though we all wall short of of its goal.

 

[Kutnupe14]

They held a hand over their heart or saluted the flag, visited wounded veterans and showed some respect for the laws of this nation.

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and before you post the pic of Obama without his hand over his heart...

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Check out this link (vid with audio):
Moon Speech / John F. Kennedy / Rice University / USA / 1962 | HD Stock Video 120-422-816 | Framepool Stock Footage
JFK, and apparently very few others are observing the hand over heart gesture....

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And here's a crowd full of people that apparently we can question their patriotism too (enlarge to see how many people aren't following protocol)...

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As far as showing respect for laws, I don't think there has been a president in any of our lifetimes that can say they did that.

 

[Warrior]

He displays no love of our country as envisioned by the founding fathers. No defense of borders, national sovereignty, language or culture. Guardians of Liberty understand that some ideologies don't fit with our Constitution and therefore have no place to be implemented in the Unites States.

 

[BluePig]

I think he loves himself more than he loves the country...

 

[Kutnupe14]

He displays no love of our country as envisioned by the founding fathers. No defense of borders, national sovereignty, language or culture. Guardians of Liberty understand that some ideologies don't fit with our Constitution and therefore have no place to be implemented in the Unites States.

Would I be wrong in saying that I have no love for the country envisioned by the founding fathers?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Would I be wrong in saying that I have no love for the country envisioned by the founding fathers?

Or at least how they expressed it during the time that hey lived.