Open Carry - Favor Please?

[Andre46996]

Okay, I'm kinda new here, so I'm not sure what the right response is for that picture.

A. I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.

B. I'd show her my LONG gun.

Either way, I think I just found a new avitar photo!


As for the OP, I don't carry, but understand they can't conceal. The AR was taking it a little far, but still within rights. If the reseaturant decided to throw them out, it's their right too and the LEOs didn't handle it very well. Should have just escorted them off the property and told them to have a good day. My .

ABC

I'm out of rep for 24 hours.

Somebody rep the new guy for me B is just too funny it deserves some rep..

 

[ATM]

...I like our gun rights, I personally do not believe that the anti gun people need any more motivation to start taking those rights away.

This didn't provide any greater motivation for anti-gun people - they are already completely motivated to take away all gun rights. What they will likely attempt to do is rally behind a sub group of the self-proclaimed gun rights advocates (those who dislike OC) who cause damage from within, thus weakening the whole.

We saw it happen with a few hunters who came out vocally against "evil assault rifles" in line with the proposed 1994 ban.
I'm sure the antis were just giddy with Fudds making their case for them.

 

[rc5699]

I'm out of rep for 24 hours.

Somebody rep the new guy for me B is just too funny it deserves some rep..

I'm not sure how I missed that. lol I'll rep him

 

[PatriotPride]

I hope that this behavior is not typical of any police force in MI---there is a very real possibility that I will find myself living there in the next year or so. 0_o

 

[Joe Williams]

i been on beaches on both coasts. and hotel with swimming pools around the nation. if that werent a size 58 they were pretty damn close. it may not have started out as a thong but the *** slowly engulfed it.

Now ya went and made me horny!

 

[Hornett]

Well, I watched all the videos and if we can just suspend a tiny bit of reality and ignore the guy with the AR...

There was some good that come of this.
If I understand the news video correctly, the police department is actually sending memos out and teaching their officers the law.
Those poor cops really had no idea what the laws governing carry of a handgun were.

The police have a difficult responsibility.
The person making the call is not always right.
In this case, the OC'ers didn't do ANYTHING wrong (remember we suspended the AR momentarily)
They even informed the manager ahead of time.
The manager changed his mind much to the chagrin of the OC'ers.
They were pretty well mannered.
The big guy was very opinionated and liked to argue, but he was respectful as far as I remember.

They were detained because the officers did not know the law.
And now they do.

Now bring the AR back into it.
That was asking for trouble, IMHO.
Go into a hunting cabin, your house, barracks, shooting range....
Long guns are typically unloaded and stowed by the door or put away.
I've read the arguments why it was OK, but I am not convinced.

 

[groovatron]

Little bit off topic(which is rare for me) is that a 12 year old boy in your avatar?

Dude....you totally ruined that Avatar for me. 12-year-old boy? WTF......i'm confused.....and disturbed......has he changed it and I missed something?

I have heard of a band of brothers. But they were a band of retards. I am not one to infringe on the rights of others. But if you are going to put on a demonstration you should look at yourself in the mirror. If you look like a skin head or a carny then maybe you should stay at home.

Wow, I suppose you are the fashion police Who gives a crap what they look like?!

 

[groovatron]

i been on beaches on both coasts. and hotel with swimming pools around the nation. if that werent a size 58 they were pretty damn close. it may not have started out as a thong but the *** slowly engulfed it.

I bet she's sippin' on a diet Coke

 

[Hornett]

Man, quit posting the fat chick.
My eyes... THEY BURN!

 

[zoglog]

So we need to have our next OC walk this weekend!!

 

[bdj357]

I am sorry, I don't usually open carry... that is my opinion and choice. I don't want to draw attention to the fact that I have a gun on when I am not working.
If people want to carry a gun open, that is there business. However, with that being said...THOSE GUYS WERE DOUCHEBAGS! And AR on your shoulder in public...at a resturaunt. I am not going to walk into a resturaunt at an OC event with a shotgun...ridiculous...

 

[E5RANGER375]

yes i agree it was over the top and asking for trouble. I am deffinately more of a (responsible) OC guy, just for the tactical and safety advantages it gives me, but it is NEVER my goal to scare innocent women and children. that was deffinately over the top i agree, but not illegal none the less

 

[HICKMAN]

OC'ing in their holsters, as the law permits would have accomplished what they wanted.

As the video says, if their handguns are registered and carried OPENLY, then they are within the law.

The AR-15 was over the top.... WTF was he gonna do with it when he SAT DOWN to eat?

 

[E5RANGER375]

OC'ing in their holsters, as the law permits would have accomplished what they wanted.

As the video says, if their handguns are registered and carried OPENLY, then they are within the law.

The AR-15 was over the top.... WTF was he gonna do with it when he SAT DOWN to eat?

make sure his steak was dead, duh!!

 

[uniquejohn]

sometimes we can catch more flies with honey, as compared to viniger

 

[lashicoN]

I've read at least ten of you say that the AR15 was just too much. It was over the top. None of you, not a single one, have said why. I agreed with you at first. But just think about it for two minutes. If we can carry handguns, why not long guns? What is the difference? I'm not provoking an argument, but I would like to provoke some civil discussion on why it is now semi-socially acceptable to carry a handgun, but "retarded" to carry a long gun? Correct me if I'm wrong, but do we have the right to "keep long guns and bear handguns"? Or is it simply the right to "keep AND bear arms"? I can concede that it wasn't necessary to bring in an AR15, in the same sense that it isn't necessary to have a $5,000.00 watch on your wrist or drive around in an $80,000.00 car because it can go up to 200 miles an hour. Where can you drive 200 miles an hour in the United States? I still don't care. Drive your car, wear your watch, and carry your rifle. I trust my fellow American, and for the one's who abuse that trust, that is why I've got a 45 Long Colt and a .380 on me most of the time.

 

[E5RANGER375]

I've read at least ten of you say that the AR15 was just too much. It was over the top. None of you, not a single one, have said why. I agreed with you at first. But just think about it for two minutes. If we can carry handguns, why not long guns? What is the difference? I'm not provoking an argument, but I would like to provoke some civil discussion on why it is now semi-socially acceptable to carry a handgun, but "retarded" to carry a long gun? Correct me if I'm wrong, but do we have the right to "keep long guns and bear handguns"? Or is it simply the right to "keep AND bear arms"? I can concede that it wasn't necessary to bring in an AR15, in the same sense that it isn't necessary to have a $5,000.00 watch on your wrist or drive around in an $80,000.00 car because it can go up to 200 miles an hour. Where can you drive 200 miles an hour in the United States? I still don't care. Drive your car, wear your watch, and carry your rifle. I trust my fellow American, and for the one's who abuse that trust, that is why I've got a 45 Long Colt and a .380 on me most of the time.

i think i pretty much said why i thought it was alittle over the top, and thats because it scared women and children. if he would have had it in a case then id be 100% for him on the AR too, but i still DO agree he had the right to carry it, and I DO BELIEVE that our right to bear ARMS (long guns and pistols) is the Number 1 most important thing here. I think he had every right to bring it, but know full well if you do, then you will have a hard time finding a place where your welcome with an AR strapped on your back, lol. however you may carry it down the street all you like. personally if i felt one of my pistols wouldnt sufficiently protect me then yes i would have no problem carrying a AR around in public. but since its not common practice it just ruffles feathers a bit, so just plan on talking to the police. then when they ask you to put it in your car as a favor, you can tell them no all you like. so me personally im for the guys, all of them.

 

[LEaSH]

Sure, you know it's ok, I know it's ok - but there are folks out in the Denny's that only know a black rifle from what they see on TV.
And they don't know you, me, or the 450lb guy that just walked into Denny's.

People usually judge strangers by the first impressions they get from appearance, demeanor, hygiene, you get the idea, the whole package.

I'm not saying that Bozo the Clown or a Hollywood hearthrob would do any better than the big fella in the video. But this hysteria over EBR's and even open sidearms are founded in ignorance. Ignorance and the 6 o'clock news blaring out half truths.

I think it's over-the-top and unrealistic to expect people to not notice the EBR and unkempt men gathering for unknown reasons. People are far too uptight to accept it right now.

It is perfectly legal. Maybe a tad boisterous. And if bubbas continue to freak out the general public, someone might have an accident and it might not be legal in the future.

 

[Mikeh82]

I've read at least ten of you say that the AR15 was just too much. It was over the top. None of you, not a single one, have said why. I agreed with you at first. But just think about it for two minutes. If we can carry handguns, why not long guns? What is the difference? I'm not provoking an argument, but I would like to provoke some civil discussion on why it is now semi-socially acceptable to carry a handgun, but "retarded" to carry a long gun? Correct me if I'm wrong, but do we have the right to "keep long guns and bear handguns"? Or is it simply the right to "keep AND bear arms"? I can concede that it wasn't necessary to bring in an AR15, in the same sense that it isn't necessary to have a $5,000.00 watch on your wrist or drive around in an $80,000.00 car because it can go up to 200 miles an hour. Where can you drive 200 miles an hour in the United States? I still don't care. Drive your car, wear your watch, and carry your rifle. I trust my fellow American, and for the one's who abuse that trust, that is why I've got a 45 Long Colt and a .380 on me most of the time.

If I was the the owner or manager I would have asked the guy with the rifle to leave it in his car, if he didnt then I would ask him to leave.. Yes I know its legal to do and it doesnt bother me if he has it or not but as an owner I have to respect the other customers wishes as well.. There are families going in there to have a family dinner, there are going to be people intimidated by that rifle on the guys back.. Its going to cost me business for him being there.

With that being said.. We all know about freedom of speech. Now if a group of teens came in to eat and sat at the table, singing rap to themselves I would not have a problem.. Now if they stand up and start rapping very loudly and disturbing the costumers, I would ask them to leave.. Did they do anything illegal, NO..

 

[public servant]

I think I read all of this...but either I missed it or it hasn't been discussed or it simply wasn't addressed. (I read a little here and a little there until I thought I read it all) So please forgive me if it slipped past me. But why when the owner or proprietor of the Denny's refused them entry...did they just not leave?

I personally don't have a problem with them OC'ing...it's not for me...but some people prefer it and I'm OK with that. I do think the group would have been better served to explain their plans in detail to the owner/proprietor when they set up their meeting in advance.