Police Mag Dump

[BE Mike]

I'm not criticizing the officers' attempt to take this subject into custody nor their right to defend themselves. What really disturbs me is the "spray and pray" actions when employing their sidearms. What's going on with these officers? I'm sure that they were never trained to do a mag dump. Did they ever learn to use basic fundamentals of marksmanship when engaging a threat at a distance? https://www.wlky.com/article/shawnee-park-shooting-lmpd-body-cam-videos-louisville/40667349#

 

[gregr]

I`ve never been shot at, much less hit, even if "only" hit on the body armor. From that distance, and while being shot at, I can only try to imagine the adrenalin dump, and that doesn`t aid in accuracy.

I was glad to see them quickly render aid to the perpetrator. I would think that would be hard to do, help someone who had just been trying to kill you.

As far as the disturbance from the crowd...I`m just going to leave that alone. It would only get me in trouble to go down that path...

 

[JettaKnight]

Well..

 

[jerrob]

Nothing to see here folks, move along, typical day.
Bad guy shoots cop, cops shoot bad guy, cops save bad guy's life, crowd shows displeasure, bad guy was turning life around because this was the last police involved shooting he was going to initiate.
I bet not one person in the angry crowd was upset enough to leave the cookout early.

 

[JCSR]

The perp could have prevented the first shot. He was still a threat so they kept shooting. Should they have let him run off? I'm sure the fine people of Louisville have their own opinions.

 

[BugI02]

I have read other research on many years of 'gun battles', many of them officer involved, that indicated that the number of rounds fired was often the number of rounds available. This varied from six in the days where revolvers were more common to 12 to 17 when semi-autos became dominant

It makes sense to me if you cannot see precisely where the rounds are impacting and the subject is not yet going down, you're going to 'flood the zone'

 

[Leadeye]

Looks like a job for a shotgun, but those seem to have fallen out of favor over the years.

 

[rosejm]

It makes sense to me if you cannot see precisely where the rounds are impacting and the subject is not yet going down, you're going to 'flood the zone'

I understand the logically fallacy, but truthfully, if you're missing the target does more of that behavior seem appropriate? Or would better marksmanship increase the odds of success?

I'm always stunned at the public's perception of LEO marksmanship. Sure, some of them are excellent marksmen. There's also a significant percentage that aren't, and far more that do not have any concept of the increased difficulty between 15y shots and 30y+ shots. That's not even accounting for shooting a moving target, on the move at those distances. The hit:miss ratio here proves the point.

Looks like a job for a shotgun, but those seem to have fallen out of favor over the years.

I'd have liked a long gun here, but the initial response didn't call for one.
Something about the best tool being the one you have on you...

 

[Peacekeeper3073]

I'm not criticizing the officers' attempt to take this subject into custody nor their right to defend themselves. What really disturbs me is the "spray and pray" actions when employing their sidearms. What's going on with these officers? I'm sure that they were never trained to do a mag dump. Did they ever learn to use basic fundamentals of marksmanship when engaging a threat at a distance? https://www.wlky.com/article/shawnee-park-shooting-lmpd-body-cam-videos-louisville/40667349#

Spray and pray was never taught in the academy or any other training I took.

 

[Ark]

The reality of high cap, light trigger, shootable modern 9mms is that people under adrenaline dump slap that trigger until the gun stops shooting. They don't aim, they don't double tap and reassess, they just hose. This is the reality for marginally trained cops and untrained criminals/civilians alike. When the guns make it easier to shoot more, people shoot more.

This has been true since the migration from flintlock to percussion, percussion to cartridge, cartridge to bolt action, etc.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Adrenalin dump results in the trigger being ran like a sewing machine in a certain percentage of instances. Learning fundamentals of marksmanship is important but does not overcome that aspect of a real world event. Simunitions and, to a lesser extent, competition shooting is about as good as you can do until the real event.

 

[tomcat13]

Definitely a Need for add'l marksmanship Training here.
BTW, this Perp-Hebert Lee: In 2008, at age 16, Lee was fleeing from police when he crashed a stolen car, killing four teenagers who had been told to ride home with him after a youth event.
In 2014, Lee pleaded guilty to leading police on another chase in another stolen car.

Source:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/louisvill...cle_0e484c58-2310-11e9-981e-1fe62c0b0f2d.html

 

[DadSmith]

'My body is in pain!' | Herbert Lee has heated exchange with judge as bond set at $1 million

The man accused of shooting a police officer in Shawnee Park complained to a judge Friday morning, claiming that he'd had no access to a phone or medical care while

www.wdrb.com

According to the news he was convicted on 4 counts of manslaughter and was out after just 1 year. How Is killing 4 people no longer a big deal?

 

[Ark]

'My body is in pain!' | Herbert Lee has heated exchange with judge as bond set at $1 million

The man accused of shooting a police officer in Shawnee Park complained to a judge Friday morning, claiming that he'd had no access to a phone or medical care while

www.wdrb.com

According to the news he was convicted on 4 counts of manslaughter and was out after just 1 year. How Is killing 4 people no longer a big deal?

Stole a car, crashed it in a high speed chase, killed 4 people.

The police should have shot more and aimed better.

 

[BigRed]

Sounds like an abundance of stupidity in that park crowd.

 

[littletommy]

It wouldn’t have hurt my feelings if LMPD had backed out and called in a B52 raid on the park. I was surprised there were cops in that area to begin with.

Louisville is completely woke now, there’s no saving them.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

It wouldn’t have hurt my feelings if LMPD had backed out and called in a B52 raid on the park. I was surprised there were cops in that area to begin with.

Louisville is completely woke now, there’s no saving them.

They sound a lot like Indy.

 

[littletommy]

They sound a lot like Indy.

I believe, with very few exceptions, most metropolitan areas are all the same.

 

[NHT3]

I think most cops would agree that more training is needed and from what I've been told that tends to the the last thing administrations want to spend money on.. I've never been shot at but I doubt you can have enough training to completely overcome the physical and psychological forces involved with dodging bullets but extensive training would help.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I believe, with very few exceptions, most metropolitan areas are all the same.

At least the democrat run ones are.