Predict the 1st Banning for uncivil behavior in the new Religious Threads...

[ChristianPatriot]

In religion, true belief is based on faith, right?

No.

 

[CathyInBlue]

Ok. Scientifically prove that George Washington was the first President.

In an intellectually honest person's mental toolbox are many tools. That one does not require the socket wrench of science, but the screwdriver of history. Try looking in the 900s, not the 500s.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

In an intellectually honest person's mental toolbox are many tools. That one does not require the socket wrench of science, but the screwdriver of history. Try looking in the 900s, not the 500s.

I agree. You use the evidentiary method to prove history. Eyewitnesses, coroboration, so on and so on.

 

[CathyInBlue]

History is only as useful as the honesty of those writing it. I suppose you can apply the science of psychology to lying historians, but then you run into the mathematics of statistics and have to gauge the probability that all of those period historians would lie about the exact same thing in the exact same way. And then there's the mundane fact of the office of the Presidency, which we know exists and we know how it's supposed to function. Being that human beings are discrete phenomena, we can list all those who ever occupied the office and then run that list backwards until we have no more individual humanoid carbon units to add to that list and declare that, in all probability, we had discovered the first.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

History is only as useful as the honesty of those writing it. I suppose you can apply the science of psychology to lying historians, but then you run into the mathematics of statistics and have to gauge the probability that all of those period historians would lie about the exact same thing in the exact same way. And then there's the mundane fact of the office of the Presidency, which we know exists and we know how it's supposed to function. Being that human beings are discrete phenomena, we can list all those who ever occupied the office and then run that list backwards until we have no more individual humanoid carbon units to add to that list and declare that, in all probability, we had discovered the first.

The Bible is a book of history. Written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. Everything was falsifiable at the time it was written. Everything written in the gospels for example could've easily been proven wrong at the times they were written because people were still alive who lived through it. If I said, Obama only served one term you'd say well that's not true, I was there, and you'd be right. All of that was possible when the 66 books of the Bible were written.

 

[chezuki]

The Bible is a book of history. Written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. Everything was falsifiable at the time it was written. Everything written in the gospels for example could've easily been proven wrong at the times they were written because people were still alive who lived through it. If I said, Obama only served one term you'd say well that's not true, I was there, and you'd be right. All of that was possible when the 66 books of the Bible were written.

Were drafts emailed around to fact check?

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Were drafts emailed around to fact check?

No sir, thousands of people who were actually there read what was written and would've easily been able to say it was false.

 

[Kutnupe14]

No.

Ok, in Christianity true belief based on faith, right?

 

[PaulF]

No sir, thousands of people who were actually there read what was written and would've easily been able to say it was false.

And did. They are called Jews.

 

[Doug]

They tell the story of the Irishman who studied an elephant in the Dublin zoo.
After about an hour, he said, "I don't believe it," and walked away.
Some are like the Irishman.

 

[mbills2223]

In my personal philosophy?

Disagree.

I think that the "big bang" event that led to our observable "universe" was probably just one of an infinite number of such events, if you scale back far enough and look over a broad enough period of time.

Well then you're consistent and I have nothing to say.... damn it

 

[chezuki]

No sir, thousands of people who were actually there read what was written and would've easily been able to say it was false.

Think about that from a purely logistical standpoint... 2000 years ago, how long from draft to distribution?

 

[ChristianPatriot]

And did. They are called Jews.

Jews and Gentiles.

 

[Kutnupe14]

The Bible is a book of history. Written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. Everything was falsifiable at the time it was written. Everything written in the gospels for example could've easily been proven wrong at the times they were written because people were still alive who lived through it. If I said, Obama only served one term you'd say well that's not true, I was there, and you'd be right. All of that was possible when the 66 books of the Bible were written.

The Bible was written by eyewitnesses???? Not sure if srs. This why non-believers are able to thoroughly able to own Christians in debates. Because many don't know their history.

 

[mbills2223]

Think about that from a purely logistical standpoint... 2000 years ago, how long from draft to distribution?

Not to mention the muliple translations that have taken place by various people. I firmly believe the Bible, but thought that might be worth mentioning

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Ok, in Christianity true belief based on faith, right?

Not a blind faith as I think you're implying. Faith based on evidence: the Bible.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Not to mention the muliple translations that have taken place by various people. I firmly believe the Bible, but thought that might be worth mentioning

It's not like the phone game. The NIV doesn't translate from the NKJV which translated from the KJV. We still have 6,000 manuscripts and portions of manuscripts that were written within a generation of the originals. We can still go back to the originals.

 

[Joe G]

I cannot answer your question any more than I can explain how purple sounds.

I had a friend who took a pill from a girl at a concert. He said he could hear all the colors.

 

[mbills2223]

It's not like the phone game. The NIV doesn't translate from the NKJV which translated from the KJV. We still have 6,000 manuscripts and portions of manuscripts that were written within a generation of the originals. We can still go back to the originals.

I understand what you're saying and I agree with you, but not everyone does

 

[chezuki]

I very much believe the Bible (New Testament) has some good messages about how live or how to treat one another, much like other childhood stories with a moral lesson.

Taking the Bible as a 100% factual history book is a bit far fetched.