Prescriptions for Narcan (opioid reversal): input requested

[Joe G]

This thread, and a few others, were on my mind when I was the alternate juror in a trial the past 2 days where defendant had OD'd on heroin (found out after the trial that it was actually while he was in jail for other drug related charges).

EMT's had to give him 2 doses of Narcan - first one via the nasal mist, second about 10 minutes later via IV, before he regained consciousness.

Guy never testified, but now that the trial is over I'm finding out that he's a habitual loser and has likely been resuscitated with this before.

Really makes me think how much he's cost society over his short life.

 

[hoosierdoc]

The goal with Narcan isn't awakeness, it's breathing. The nasal Narcan comes on slowly and doesn't usually give the violent wake ups that slamming IV can do.

gotta love the jail ODs.

 

[ljk]

Why do we have to solve a self-solving problem?

 

[HoughMade]

The goal with Narcan isn't awakeness, it's breathing. The nasal Narcan comes on slowly and doesn't usually give the violent wake ups that slamming IV can do.

gotta love the jail ODs.

Unpossible. There are laws against having drugs in jail.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Unpossible. There are laws against having drugs in jail.

Can families sue the jail for failure to maintain a safe environment?

 

[HoughMade]

Can families sue the jail for failure to maintain a safe environment?

If you can bring a case for failure to prevent a jail suicide......

 

[hoosierdoc]

Why do we have to solve a self-solving problem?

because we do not have the right to control our bodies

 

[ljk]

because we do not have the right to control our bodies

English?

 

[HoughMade]

I look at it more as giving someone who has made some bad choices a chance to change direction. He may or may not, but even if it's an exceeding small percentage...

There's something I heard somewhere once: " [Neither] drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

 

[ljk]

That's not quite the reality.

 

[lrahm]

In my experience, it is nice to have but remember the abuser might and usually has a violent reaction after becomming consicious. Don't let one or two people administer the narcan without proper training. They WILL have their hands full.

 

[SMiller]

In my experience, it is nice to have but remember the abuser might and usually has a violent reaction after becomming consicious. Don't let one or two people administer the narcan without proper training. They WILL have their hands full.

That's why you only give enough to get them breathing on their own, give them a full shot and they are going to come up trying to kill you.

 

[hoosierdoc]

English?

abortion is legal because we can't force women what to do with their bodies. But we don't let them kill themselves or be prostitutes. Subtle metaphor

 

[oDbCo]

If it is life saving with little negative side effects of improper use, I say family and the abuser should have it. Especially the abuser. I think the abuser would be more likely to keep it on them, therefore a better chance of being saved.

 

[hoosierdoc]

If it is life saving with little negative side effects of improper use, I say family and the abuser should have it. Especially the abuser. I think the abuser would be more likely to keep it on them, therefore a better chance of being saved.

And speedway gas station attendants

 

[Fargo]

If it is life saving with little negative side effects of improper use, I say family and the abuser should have it. Especially the abuser. I think the abuser would be more likely to keep it on them, therefore a better chance of being saved.

When narcan is needed, the abuser is generally unconscious and drifting off into respiratory failure. IME, continuing living really isn't even near the top of the priority list to a person deep into opiate withdrawals.

 

[ljk]

How many of them are repeat customers?

Narcan doesn't make them to quit.

 

[hoosierdoc]

How many of them are repeat customers?

Narcan doesn't make them to quit.

Neither does forced rehab

 

[ljk]

abortion is legal because we can't force women what to do with their bodies. But we don't let them kill themselves or be prostitutes. Subtle metaphor

harmless crimes.

 

[ljk]

Neither does forced rehab

Exactly!!!

They quit when they die.