President Obama Announces Support for Firearms Treaty NRA-ILA GRASSROOTS ALERT Vol.

[Marshall74]

I got this in my email. I dont know if its been posted already and I apologize for posting it again if it was already posted.
Heres the link because theres way to much info to post on here. NRA-ILA :: President Obama Announces Support for Firearms Treaty<SPAN>NRA-ILA GRASSROOTS ALERT Vol. 16, No. 15 04/17/09</SPAN>

 

[jsgolfman]

CIFTA

 

[CulpeperMM]

Inter-American Convention against the Illicit Manufacturing and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives and Other Related Materials.

 

[savageayape]

Obama pushing treaty to ban reloading

This should come as no surprise . Please send an e-mail to your senator.
GOA's CIFTA Treaty Analysis

 

[jeremy]

tag

 

[Disposable Heart]

Pretty much, it attacks illegal gun ownership (immigrants, felons, etc...) and presents harsher language for firearms traffiking.

Realistically, it doesn't touch us, but "could be used to attack the rights of gunowners". Pretty much, if you aren't selling ARs or AKs to illegals or criminals, you should be fine. THAT BEING SAID: Email and pitch a fit if they begin using it to attack rights. Really, I could give a damn about the rights of a felon or criminal, BUT, its only when they use it as a pretext to a ban or similar, would I get riled up.

 

[BloodEclipse]

Pretty much, it attacks illegal gun ownership (immigrants, felons, etc...) and presents harsher language for firearms traffiking.

Realistically, it doesn't touch us, but "could be used to attack the rights of gunowners".

Wrong, it has the potential to touch us big time.

Are you licensed to reload that ammo?
[SIZE=+1]Alarm raised over treaty provision to ban activity


[SIZE=-1]Posted: April 21, 2009[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]10:00 pm Eastern[/SIZE]



[FONT=Palatino, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times, serif]By Bob Unruh
[SIZE=-1]© 2009 WorldNetDaily [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE]
President Obama, who supported the handgun ban in Washington, D.C., before it was tossed by the Supreme Court, since his election has watched various proposals to ban "assault" weapons, require handgun owners to submit to mental health evaluations, and sparked a rush on ammunition purchases that caused some retailers to name him their salesman of the year. Now he apparently is going after those to reload their ammunition.
It was during an official visit earlier this month to Mexico that he affirmed his support for a proposed international treaty that addresses "firearms trafficking."
According to a blogger who follows such issues, the treaty was adopted by President Clinton years ago, but never ratified by the U.S. Senate, a goal Obama now has adopted.
The answer is finally here to the real reason why guns and church must mix!
The writer, B.A. Lawson, says, "If you reload your own ammo you may find yourself engaged in 'Illicit Manufacturing' of ammunition under an arms control treaty that President Obama started pushing last week in Mexico."




"Virtually everyone who supports the 2nd Amendment or has an interest in firearms has heard the numerous recent reports of ammunition shortages. The shortages have extended to reloading supplies that many folks rely on to keep their shooting costs down or to assemble exotic or hard to find ammunition. Many shooters have considered reloading their own ammo as insurance against limited supplies should legislation be enacted that would make ammo more scarce or dramatically more expensive," the blogger continued.
"Those thoughts may be in vain if the current administration is successful in getting the 'INTER-AMERICAN CONVENTION AGAINST THE ILLICIT MANUFACTURING OF AND TRAFFICKING IN FIREARMS, AMMUNITION, EXPLOSIVES, AND OTHER RELATED MATERIALS' treaty passed."
The treaty defines "Illicit manufacturing" as "the manufacture or assembly of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials."
It then gives authority for that activity only with "a license from a competent governmental authority of the State Party where the manufacture or assembly takes place."
"The section … clearly identifies ammo reloaders that are not licensed by the government as 'Illicit Manufacturers' of ammunition. Now that we have reloaders properly labeled, lets move down to Article IV to see what we should do with them," the commentary said.
He then quotes Article IV, which states, "State Parties that have not yet done so shall adopt the necessary legislative or other measures to establish as criminal offenses under their domestic law the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials."
"This is pretty straightforward. If you reload ammunition without a license after the treaty is signed you will be a criminal," Lawson wrote.
The National Rifle Association said the treaty "does include language suggesting that it is not intended to restrict 'lawful ownership and use' of firearms. Despite those words, the NRA knows that anti-gun advocates will still try to use this treaty to attack gun ownership in the U.S."
The treaty is available online.
At the SnowflakesinHell blog, the writer said there's no mistaking the language.
Even accessories "which can be attached to a firearm" are targeted.
"It would presumably also ban home manufacture of these items without a government license. Do you own trigger jobs? Reload your own ammunition? Not any more, not without a government license!"
The Examiner.com said such international gun restrictions are unacceptable.
John Velleco, director of federal affairs for Gun Owners of America, notes the benefits for Obama of having such rules in treaties, not legislation.
"If ratified and the U.S. is found not to be in compliance with any provisions of the treaty – such as a provision that would outlaw reloading ammunition without a government license – President Obama would be empowered to implement regulations without congressional approval," he wrote.
"If the kind of 'change' that Obama wants is for the United States to take its marching orders from third world countries regarding our gun rights, we're in big trouble!"

 

[HICKMAN]

Are you licensed to reload that ammo?

Rest of the story here:

Are you licensed to reload that ammo?

 

[shooter521]

Sorry, but I just have to take any story from WND with a GIANT BLOCK of salt.

 

[IndyGunworks]

makes me nervous

 

[Biggdogg]

So I guess that when the day comes that we revert back to sticks and rocks for protection, we'll need to be licensed to sharpen our own sticks too??

 

[Bobby]

Sorry, but I just have to take any story from WND with a GIANT BLOCK of salt.

Hmmm, what if the same story was also reported by Gun Owners of America? The link is included below for your reading pleasure. Sorry, I just couldn't resist chiming in when I saw your comment.

Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading

 

[melensdad]

As I understand it there is a distinction between personal reloading and reloading for resale while not mentioned in either the GOA or the WND pieces, it is mentioned in other sources and personal reloading, provided you don't resell, would remain legal under the treaty.

However one of the problems I have with the GOA (and yes, I am a member) is that they are a shrill voice of panic in our community, often throwing up issues with an exaggerated slant and often raising to panic those issues which do not deserve that level of scrutiny. . . just like World Net Daily.

 

[hornadylnl]

Just tell them we are recycling and making "green" ammo by reloading.

 

[cordex]

So I guess that when the day comes that we revert back to sticks and rocks for protection, we'll need to be licensed to sharpen our own sticks too??

Better be careful. Unauthorized Destruction of Nature is going to carry some hefty fines.

 

[rambone]

Another article about it today at HumanEvents.com:
Revived Treaty Endangers Second Amendment and U.S. Sovereignty - HUMAN EVENTS

Obama plans to derive national gun registration by means of an international treaty to protect Mexicans from Mexican gangs, and in the process infringe the hell out of our 2nd Amendment GOD GIVEN rights.

This only has to pass the Senate! Call your Senator today!!!

 

[Hoosier8]

International CIFTA treaty - pay attention!

Treaties were originally envisioned to keep the individual states from interfering in International agreements. The founding fathers did not anticipate Treaties to override individual state laws. Once a treaty is ratified, it becomes the law of the land, superceeding individual state laws. I believe this Administration will try to use Treaties to accomplish what they could not do in the House and Senate. Also the treaty on childrens rights, if ratified, will make any spanking illegal and allow the Government to come in and take your children to protect them. These must be fought. Treaties are ratified by the Senate. Contact your Senator.


CIFTA

Pay attention to 1.b and 4 of the convention Article 1 Definitions. Want to get a license to reload? Want to have to get a license to assemble that AR-15 stripped lower?

1. "Illicit manufacturing": the manufacture or assembly of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials:

a. from components or parts illicitly trafficked; or

b. without a license from a competent governmental authority of the State Party where the manufacture or assembly takes place; or

c. without marking the firearms that require marking at the time of manufacturing.
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4. "Ammunition": the complete round or its components, including cartridge cases, primers, propellant powder, bullets, or projectiles that are used in any firearm.

Or 1 of Article IV

1. States Parties that have not yet done so shall adopt the necessary legislative or other measures to establish as criminal offenses under their domestic law the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials.

Possibly a saving grace for firearms but confusing since the second part only mentions firearms ownership, possession, or trade and does not mention ammunition or assembly except that the States Parties (Countries) will apply their respective laws and regs in a manner consistent with this Convention:

RECALLING that States Parties have their respective domestic laws and regulations in the areas of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials, and recognizing that this Convention does not commit States Parties to enact legislation or regulations pertaining to firearms ownership, possession, or trade of a wholly domestic character, and recognizing that States Parties will apply their respective laws and regulations in a manner consistent with this Convention;

CHILLING! It gives the Pres the ability to say he is not going for your guns, he doesn't have to!

 

[SavageEagle]

It's time we kick the UN back across the pond people.

 

[citizenvain]

It's time we kick the UN back across the pond people.

Amen. It's long overdue.

 

[dburkhead]

My letter on the subject. Accepting any thoughts/suggestions before I send it:

You, or someone on your staff, has seen my previous letters covering why I believe the Right to Keep and Bear arms in the United States is important.

I am writing to ask that you vigorously oppose any attempt to bring the CIFTA treaty up for ratification and to vote NO should it be presented for ratification.

I have read the treaty and it includes dangerous language that, if ratified and made effectively law, would seriously harm law abiding gun owners in the United States. The language would criminalize reloaders, individuals who buy and restore collectable firearms, and even since "assembly of firearms…" could be interpreted by an anti-gun prosecutor and judge to include simply taking apart one's gun for cleaning and putting it back together. One might claim that there is no intention of applying it that way, but intention is a fragile reed to cling to indeed when the Freedoms of this nation are at stake.

As you are well aware, despite media distortions to the contrary, the claim that legal gun sales in the United States are driving the current unrest in Mexico are exaggerated at best. The fully automatic weapons and explosive devices being used are already restricted in the United States by the 1934 National Firearms Act and other laws. This treaty is unnecessary and contrary to the ideals on which the United States were founded. It should not be ratified.