Profiling a concealed carrier

[Rusty Shackleford]

A good and interesting article I came across on how Leo's can possibly identify your CCW. I must admit I'm guilty of some of these traits, some of it I probably wasn't even aware of.


https://www.policeone.com/police-pr...citizens-legally-carrying-a-concealed-weapon/

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Article is still a hot mess after 6 years.

[FONT=&amp]I never worried about contacting individuals where the guns were in plain sight. Without fail, the people contacted were forthright and honest in their manner and deeds. When I would ask if they had any handguns, they would tell me where they were and what they had.[/FONT]

Um, yeah, Ron, so if they are in plain sight like you say, why do they need to tell you where they were?

[FONT=&amp]Here are some thoughts to share with your personnel when they have to contact citizens who may be carrying concealed.[/FONT]

Now we loop back into carrying concealed.

[FONT=&amp]Concealed carry folks and cops seem to go to the same tailor — generally speaking, most will not look like dirt bags. [/FONT]

And so? Why are you profiling them? Because they have a gay porn stache and tuck in their t-shirts? Or is it because they are committing a crime?

Great, you have identified all the law-abiding folks. Good work, Ron.

I just can't go on. That article was a confused mess that should have never made it through an editor.

 

[jerrob]

Feeling good 'bout my program after reading that. The author would probably pick me out with my off hand flashlight/knife clipped in my "wrong" pocket.
Good read, thanks for sharing.

 

[Joniki]

There are some good points to being a hunch back...... lol

 

[Ronald]

Nice little article, thanks for passing it on.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Article is still a hot mess after 6 years.



Um, yeah, Ron, so if they are in plain sight like you say, why do they need to tell you where they were?



Now we loop back into carrying concealed.



And so? Why are you profiling them? Because they have a gay porn stache and tuck in their t-shirts? Or is it because they are committing a crime?

Great, you have identified all the law-abiding folks. Good work, Ron.

I just can't go on. That article was a confused mess that should have never made it through an editor.

Kirk, I think you are being a little too hard on the guy, although I do share some of your concerns. Taking in a little context, he was discussing hunters OCing their hunting rifles being open about handguns when asked.

My understanding of his effort at profiling people carrying legally is that he intends to distinguish them from criminals for the purpose of not treating them like criminals, but rather treating them like the proper citizens they are. I interpret his reference to police being disturbed at the uptick in people carrying guns and the laws allowing it to be the introduction of a soft sell job for uneasy cops rather than clinging to a 'special ones' perspective on bearing arms.

Starting with the understanding that law enforcement is an occupation that has a way of turning its practitioners inward--after all, they generally work together, fraternize together, and mutually understand each other in a life that is foreign to most outsiders--it is reasonable to expect challenges for those inside to understand those outside in some ways. Overall, the author seems to be trying to bridge a gap broadly similar with that of a man who was raised in an unloving home who wants to love his own family but doesn't entirely understand how to do so. The author seems to understand that the people he is profiling with emphasis of distinguishing them from armed criminals are not criminals, do not deserve to be treated as criminals, and should be understood as people with similar values to those held by LE, and not threats by virtue of being armed. I can still see a discernible sense of separation, but he appears to be investing a significant effort in overcoming it.

 

[TheDude]

Lawful concealed gun carriers also feel as if they are the “good guys.”




Uh...what?

 

[BugI02]

I have come across listings of some of these 'tells' before. I suspect we all exhibit some of them. ALL of my LEO friends can usually tell I'm carrying and where, even when I think I'm avoiding tells.

I would expect that if 9 out of 10 of us walked up to BBI, Frank, Denny or any of the other experienced INGO LEOs the results would be the same

It makes me wonder to what extent the thugs can do the same. After all it would be a survival skill for them, too

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I have come across listings of some of these 'tells' before. I suspect we all exhibit some of them. ALL of my LEO friends can usually tell I'm carrying and where, even when I think I'm avoiding tells.

I would expect that if 9 out of 10 of us walked up to BBI, Frank, Denny or any of the other experienced INGO LEOs the results would be the same

It makes me wonder to what extent the thugs can do the same. After all it would be a survival skill for them, too

It's one thing that always gives me a chuckle when people say "...and no one even noticed" when talking about their OC/sloppy CC. Alternately, you didn't notice anybody notice. I notice people carrying open or concealed pretty routinely, and don't jump up and point at them and say "made you, iwb, 3 o'clock" or something. I do what I always do. Look for signs of impending aggression, and if they aren't there I move on.

Good question on the thug profiling victims, and I don't have a real good answer. I can tell you that some are really good at victim selection...and some aren't. It doesn't even seem to be age or experienced based, it seems to be desperation and intelligence based. A smarter less desperate thug will scout and take the time to pick someone that looks like a good pay off with minimal odds of mounting an effective resistance. Ie, the drunk staggering by himself with the high dollar smart phone in his hand. A thug suffering withdrawals who needs a hit RIGHT NOW or who just isn't as smart will sometimes pick poorly and the victim does effectively resist. I can't say it's about being armed as much as just not looking and acting like prey.

 

[rhino]

I assume that everyone is armed.

 

[KellyinAvon]

I assume that everyone is armed.

This is Indiana after all.

 

[rhino]

This is Indiana after all.

Indeed!

 

[IndyDave1776]

I assume that everyone is armed.

Even quadriplegics?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Even quadriplegics?

 

[IndyDave1776]

I know. I'm in one of my moods to behave badly today!

 

[femurphy77]

But, but, but. . . . .I thought profiling was illegal!!

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Kirk, I think you are being a little too hard on the guy, although I do share some of your concerns.

No, the article is still moronic after all these years.

It only makes sense if it was written the night before a deadline. Other than that schoolboy/"dog ate my homework" context, it makes absolutely no sense.

 

[tacticalmaster45]

Makes you aware of what you shouldn't do while carrying a firearm. I think it is pretty easy to profile people and whether or not they are concealing firearms depending on their attire, hand/arm movements, and general awareness.

 

[grogie]

Very interested read. Thanks for the post.

 

[Arickosmo]

"As the ‘right to carry’ spreads across the United States,..."

First sentence killed his credibility with me. I read it. I'm with Kirk. I was actually only reading the rest to see if he referred to "us" as "civilians".