Put these AR brands in "quality" order from best to worst

[fastwally]

JP 4th from the bottem. So you must have had a bad one eh?

So bad I've never seen one, along with over half of them on the list.

 

[sgreen3]

John doesn't need to advertise and probably doesn't want to. They are #1 on my list (don't own, but have shot one). Clark (not on the list, but I own one) is 2nd. MSTN (not on the list is 3rd - want one)

John has done more for run hard, high precision ARs than about anyone. - JP Rifles

JP-15 Rifles
CTR-02 Rifles
SCR-11 Rifles
We've Got Your Back - this has got to be one the coolest things I've ever seen.

You are probably right. I dont own one either but have shot a few of them that friends have. They would be #1 on my list as well. I was talking with them last month an they are working on a 6.5creedmore in an AR platform... I would love to have one of those when they come out!

 

[tnek]

You're completely missing the point. As stated above, this is obviously not a scientific exploration, its simply looking at what the current perceptions are in regards to AR branding. The validity of people's opinions is completely irrelevant here. This is more about the poster than it is the brands.

I never stated that people needed to have experience with the listed brands. I'm not looking for in-depth reviews here.

If people are putting your personal favorite low on their list, simply ask yourself "why?". That doesn't automatically make your rifle "bad" or of "lesser quality". As slow1911s pointed out, JP was low on several people's lists. But he's smart enough to understand that this may be due to unfamiliarity of the brand due to what advertising and marketing currently exists (or lack thereof), or what type of shooting circles people run in-- because he knows that JP does indeed make high quality rifles.

But of course if you still feel like its a "stupid excercise" I won't force you to post up your list.

I wouldnt presume to make a list since it would be based on guessing and heresay.

 

[LPMan59]

what about Barrett?

Barrett

 

[golandmark@gmail.com]

All i know is Colt is supposed to be the best but every other ar has performed as good as a Colt is supposed to...i have a bushy and dpms for the price of 2 colts...i like rock river and daniel defense too...and i would like to have one of the sig sauer or ruger...but dont have enough info to rank them

 

[esrice]

what about Barrett?

Added.

 

[esrice]

I wouldnt presume to make a list since it would be based on guessing and heresay.

Those are both components of "perception". I'm simply curious what your (and others') perception is.

But if you don't want to play I certainly understand.

 

[esrice]

Ok here's my list.

I will break mine down into 3 groups: Top Tier, Standard/Commercial Grade, and Cheap Crap I Wouldn't Touch.

The first two categories I wouldn't mind owning personally, the last group I would pass on even if it was given to me. The difference between Top Tier and Standard/Commercial grade is attention to detail and higher quality materials and processes (as I perceive it).

My perceptions are based on many things, including: my personal penchant for hard-use and defensive guns, brands often seen in training classes, those advertised in gun magazines and online, those talked about often here on INGO, and a general sense of "buy once, cry once". Again, these are my perceptions and are subject to future change or being incorrect altogether.


Top Tier (in no particular order)
Colt
Noveske
Daniel Defense
Lewis Machine & Tool (LMT)
Knight's Armament Company (KAC)
Barrett
Clark
Heckler & Koch (H&K)
MSTN
LaRue Tactical
Wilson Combat
LWRCi
POF
Spike's Tactical
Les Baer
Bravo Company Manufacturing (BCM)
JP Enterprises


Standard/Commercial Grade (in no particular order)
CMMG
Sabre Defense
Smith & Wesson
Charles Daly
Stag Arms
Bushmaster
Palmetto State Armory
Rock River Arms
DPMS / Panther Arms
Yankee Hill Machine (YHM)
Remington
Armalite
Tactical Innovations
Ruger
SI Defense


Cheap Crap I Wouldn't Touch (in no particular order)
Olympic
Del-ton
Superior Arms
D.S. Arms
Nodak
Fulton
Double Star
Model 1 Sales
Anvil Arms
High Standard
Vulcan/Hesse

 

[mvician]

now that's gonna ruffle feathers

 

[esrice]

now that's gonna ruffle feathers

Like I said, that's my perception and that doesn't mean its "correct".

I'd welcome anyone who wants to go shooting with me to educate me on a rifle lower on my list.

So what's on your list Mike?

 

[raggedoutcummins77]

like jeremy said this could be interesting i like the m&p

 

[stchas]

I see Palmetto State Armory up fairly high on a few lists. I'm intrigued. I was considering using them in my next build. Those who have them somewhat high, going off rep or usage?

 

[mvician]

Like I said, that's my perception and that doesn't mean its "correct".

I'd welcome anyone who wants to go shooting with me to educate me on a rifle lower on my list.

So what's on your list Mike?

pretty much mirrors yours.

 

[thompal]

So bad I've never seen one, along with over half of them on the list.

And some of the companies I've heard of, but had no idea that they made AR-15s (i.e.=High Standard?? I thought they only made target .22lr pistols)

 

[lovemachine]

Ok here's my list.

I will break mine down into 3 groups: Top Tier, Standard/Commercial Grade, and Cheap Crap I Wouldn't Touch.

The first two categories I wouldn't mind owning personally, the last group I would pass on even if it was given to me. The difference between Top Tier and Standard/Commercial grade is attention to detail and higher quality materials and processes (as I perceive it).

My perceptions are based on many things, including: my personal penchant for hard-use and defensive guns, brands often seen in training classes, those advertised in gun magazines and online, those talked about often here on INGO, and a general sense of "buy once, cry once". Again, these are my perceptions and are subject to future change or being incorrect altogether.


Top Tier (in no particular order)
Colt
Noveske
Daniel Defense
Lewis Machine & Tool (LMT)
Knight's Armament Company (KAC)
Barrett
Clark
Heckler & Koch (H&K)
MSTN
LaRue Tactical
Wilson Combat
LWRCi
POF
Spike's Tactical
Les Baer
Bravo Company Manufacturing (BCM)
JP Enterprises


Standard/Commercial Grade (in no particular order)
CMMG
Sabre Defense
Smith & Wesson
Charles Daly
Stag Arms
Bushmaster
Palmetto State Armory
Rock River Arms
DPMS / Panther Arms
Yankee Hill Machine (YHM)
Remington
Armalite
Tactical Innovations
Ruger
SI Defense


Cheap Crap I Wouldn't Touch (in no particular order)
Olympic
Del-ton
Superior Arms
D.S. Arms
Nodak
Fulton
Double Star
Model 1 Sales
Anvil Arms
High Standard
Vulcan/Hesse

According to this list, my RRA STILL isn't crap. All is good

 

[esrice]

According to this list, my RRA STILL isn't crap. All is good

Even if you had an Olympic (for example), it wouldn't necessarily be crap simply because it is on my list. It just means that I personally don't care for that brand (again, based on my own perceptions). I know guys whose opinions I respect that really like Oly.

 

[lovemachine]

So how would your list look?

I already made one...

 

[esrice]

I already made one...

You quoted me too fast. I edited that like 10 seconds after I posted it when I realized your list was on Page 1.

 

[lovemachine]

Even if you had an Olympic (for example), it wouldn't necessarily be crap simply because it is on my list. It just means that I personally don't care for that brand (again, based on my own perceptions). I know guys whose opinions I respect that really like Oly.

I understand. But it still makes me happy where guys have placed RRA on their lists so far.

I'll get a Top Tier Rifle one of these days though...

You quoted me too fast. I edited that like 10 seconds after I posted it when I realized your list was on Page 1.

 

[strahd71]

what exactly makes a top tier a top tier? fit and finish doesnt always equal performance

jake