Random question... Any aircraft ever shot down over US?

The #1 community for Gun Owners in Indiana

Member Benefits:

  • Fewer Ads!
  • Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership
  • Discuss anti-gun legislation
  • Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section
  • Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses
  • Discover free outdoor shooting areas
  • View up to date on firearm-related events
  • Share photos & video with other members
  • ...and so much more!
  • 88E30M50

    Grandmaster
    Site Supporter
    Rating - 100%
    12   0   0
    Dec 29, 2008
    22,801
    149
    Greenwood, IN
    I was going to site the Battle of Palmdale, but it turns out that the Air Force never did shoot the aircraft down. All they did was rain rockets on Palmdale California. The lost drone ended up falling in the desert.




















    The Battle of Palmdale
    This aviation story dates back to 1956 and
    involves some USAF aviators flying F-89D's.

    Northrop F-89DScorpion
    [h=2]The Battle of Palmdale [/h]
    On the morning of 16 August 1956, Navy personnel at Point Mugu prepared an F6F-5K for its final mission. The aircraft had been painted overall high-visibility red. Red and yellow camera pods were mounted on the wingtips. Radio remote control systems were checked, and the Hellcat took off at 11:34 a.m., climbing out over the Pacific Ocean. As ground controllers attempted to maneuver the drone toward the target area, it became apparent that it was not responding to radio commands. They had a runaway.
    Ahead of the unguided drone lay thousands of square miles of ocean into which it could crash. Instead, the old Hellcat made a graceful climbing turn to the southeast, toward the city of
    Los Angeles. With the threat of a runaway aircraft approaching a major metropolitan area, the Navy called for help.



    Five miles north of NAS Point Mugu, two F-89D Scorpion twin-jet interceptors of the 437th Fighter Interceptor Squadron were scrambled from
    Oxnard Air Force Base. The crews were ordered to shoot down the rogue drone before it could cause any harm. Armed with wingtip-mounted rocket pods and no cannon, the Scorpion was typical of the Cold War approach to countering the "Red Menace." Each pod contained 52 Mighty Mouse 2.75-inch rockets. Salvo-launched, the Mighty Mouse did not have to have precision guidance. Large numbers of rockets would be fired into approaching Soviet bomber formations to overwhelm them with sheer numbers. Today, they would be used against a different kind of red menace.



    At Oxnard AFB, 1Lt. Hans Einstein and his radar observer, 1Lt. C. D. Murray, leapt into their sleek F-89D. Simultaneously, 1Lt. Richard Hurliman and 1Lt. Walter Hale climbed into a second aircraft. The interceptors roared south after their target. The hunt was on.



    Einstein and Hurliman caught up with the Hellcat at 30,000 feet, northeast of Los Angeles. It turned southwest, crossing over the city, then headed northwest. As the Hellcat circled lazily over Santa Paula , the interceptor crews waited impatiently. As soon as it passed over an unpopulated area, they would fire their rockets.


    The interceptor crews discussed their options. There were two methods of attack using the fire control system, from a wings level attitude or while in a turn. Since the drone was almost continuously turning, they selected the second mode of attack. In repeated attempts, the rockets failed to fire during these maneuvers. This was later traced to a design fault.


    The drone turned northeast, passing Fillmore and Frazier Park. It appeared to be heading toward the sparsely populated western end of the Antelope Valley . Suddenly, it turned southeast toward Los Angeles again. Time seemed to be running out. Einstein and Hurliman decided to abandon the automatic modes, and fire manually. Although the aircraft had been delivered with gun sights, they had been removed a month earlier. After all, why would a pilot need a gun sight to fire unguided rockets with an automatic fire control system?
    The interceptors made their first attack run as the Hellcat crossed the mountains near Castaic. Murray and Hale set their intervalometers to "ripple fire" the rockets in three salvos. The first crew lined up their target and fired, missing their target completely. The second interceptor unleashed a salvo that passed just below the drone. Rockets blazed through the sky and then plunged earthward to spark brush fires seven miles north of Castaic. They decimated 150 acres above the old Ridge Route near Bouquet Canyon .



    A second salvo from the two jets also missed the drone, raining rockets near the town of
    Newhall . One bounced across the ground, leaving a string of fires in its wake between the Oak of the Golden Dream Park and the Placerita Canyon oilfield. The fires ignited several oil sumps and burned 100 acres of brush. For a while the blazes raged out of control, threatening the nearby Bermite Powder Company explosives plant. The rockets also ignited a fire in the vicinity of Soledad Canyon , west of Mt. Gleason , burning over 350 acres of heavy brush.
    Meanwhile, the errant drone meandered north toward Palmdale. The Scorpion crews readjusted their intervalometers and each fired a final salvo, expending their remaining rockets. Again, the obsolete, unpiloted, unguided, unarmed, propeller-driven drone evaded the state-of-the-art jet interceptors. In all, the jet crews fired 208 rockets without scoring a single hit.



    The afternoon calm was shattered as Mighty Mouse rockets fell on downtown Palmdale. Edna Carlson was at home with her six-year-old son William when a chunk of shrapnel burst through her front window, bounced off the ceiling, pierced a wall, and finally came to rest in a pantry cupboard. Another fragment passed through J. R. Hingle's garage and home, nearly hitting Mrs. Lilly Willingham as she sat on the couch. A
    Leona Valley teenager, Larry Kempton, was driving west on Palmdale Boulevard with his mother in the passenger seat when a rocket exploded on the street in front of him. Fragments blew out his left front tire, and put numerous holes in the radiator, hood, windshield, and even the firewall. Miraculously, no one was injured by any of the falling rockets. Explosive Ordnance Disposal teams later recovered 13 duds in the vicinity of Palmdale. It took 500 firefighters two days to bring the brushfires under control.


    Oblivious to the destruction in its wake, the drone passed over the town. Its engine sputtered and died as the fuel supply dwindled. The red Hellcat descended in a loose spiral toward an unpopulated patch of desert eight miles east of Palmdale Airport . Just before impact, the drone sliced through a set of three Southern California Edison power lines along an unpaved section of Avenue P. The camera pod on the airplane's right wingtip dug into the sand while the Hellcat cart-wheeled and disintegrated. There was no fire.















    =
     

    wagyu52

    Master
    Rating - 100%
    31   0   0
    Sep 4, 2011
    1,895
    113
    South of cob corner
    Union Army Balloon Corps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    LaMountain, from his position at Fort Monroe, had the luxury of flying free. When he was enjoined with the Balloon Corps, he began insisting that his reconnaissance flights be made free. Lowe strictly instructed his men against free flight as a matter of policy and procedure. Eventually the two men agreed to a showdown in which LaMountain made one of his free flights. The flight was a success as a reconnaissance flight with LaMountain being able to go where he would. But on his return he was threatened by Union troops who could not identify him. His balloon was shot down, and LaMountain was treated harshly until he was clearly identified.[SUP][14][/SUP]
     
    Last edited:

    comanche

    Marksman
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    May 7, 2013
    177
    18
    the original post also said "forced down" the answer is yes, and a lot. Even in Indiana. Immediately after September 11th 2001, there was a US no fly restriction for ALL aircraft. Several aircraft apparently didn't get the message and the military forced the aircraft to land. One, for instance, was in Bloomington IN. During times the president moves about the country the area is called TFR (Temporary Flight Restriction). IF you beak the TFR veil you will be escorted and forced to land and big brother will talk to you and possibly enforce action upon you. I personally was delivering a German aircraft in Florida when a pop up TFR due to President Bush became effective. I was intercepted by an F-15 but I knew the proper intercept procedures and was able to comply and avoid the TFR. Still scary. That same area near Lakeland FL there were 2 aircraft that didn't know the procedures and were forced to land. This happens quite often and doesn't make the news because the aircraft aren't a threat but were just someplace they weren't supposed to be.
    All around the US is also what is called a ADIZ (Air Defense Identification Zone). This is an area surrounding the us that all aircraft have to be on an ADIZ flight plan. IF not you will get the military escort.

    Flight Instructor, CFII
     

    femurphy77

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    30   0   0
    Mar 5, 2009
    20,284
    113
    S.E. of disorder
    Drones, balloons, and Knob Creek RC planes are out.

    How about my neighbors RC plane? He told me that he could successfully avoid the flak over London and bomb parliament. He obviously didn't know about the new secret weapon we had that day; VEPR 12 gauge with 25 round drum magazine! Peace through excessively superior firepower!:rockwoot:
     

    femurphy77

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    30   0   0
    Mar 5, 2009
    20,284
    113
    S.E. of disorder
    I was going to site the Battle of Palmdale, but it turns out that the Air Force never did shoot the aircraft down. All they did was rain rockets on Palmdale California. The lost drone ended up falling in the desert.

















    The Battle of Palmdale
    This aviation story dates back to 1956 and
    involves some USAF aviators flying F-89D's.
    Northrop F-89DScorpion
    The Battle of Palmdale


    On the morning of 16 August 1956, Navy personnel at Point Mugu prepared an F6F-5K for its final mission. The aircraft had been painted overall high-visibility red. Red and yellow camera pods were mounted on the wingtips. Radio remote control systems were checked, and the Hellcat took off at 11:34 a.m., climbing out over the Pacific Ocean. As ground controllers attempted to maneuver the drone toward the target area, it became apparent that it was not responding to radio commands. They had a runaway.
    Ahead of the unguided drone lay thousands of square miles of ocean into which it could crash. Instead, the old Hellcat made a graceful climbing turn to the southeast, toward the city of
    Los Angeles. With the threat of a runaway aircraft approaching a major metropolitan area, the Navy called for help.



    Five miles north of NAS Point Mugu, two F-89D Scorpion twin-jet interceptors of the 437th Fighter Interceptor Squadron were scrambled from
    Oxnard Air Force Base. The crews were ordered to shoot down the rogue drone before it could cause any harm. Armed with wingtip-mounted rocket pods and no cannon, the Scorpion was typical of the Cold War approach to countering the "Red Menace." Each pod contained 52 Mighty Mouse 2.75-inch rockets. Salvo-launched, the Mighty Mouse did not have to have precision guidance. Large numbers of rockets would be fired into approaching Soviet bomber formations to overwhelm them with sheer numbers. Today, they would be used against a different kind of red menace.



    At Oxnard AFB, 1Lt. Hans Einstein and his radar observer, 1Lt. C. D. Murray, leapt into their sleek F-89D. Simultaneously, 1Lt. Richard Hurliman and 1Lt. Walter Hale climbed into a second aircraft. The interceptors roared south after their target. The hunt was on.


    Einstein and Hurliman caught up with the Hellcat at 30,000 feet, northeast of Los Angeles. It turned southwest, crossing over the city, then headed northwest. As the Hellcat circled lazily over Santa Paula , the interceptor crews waited impatiently. As soon as it passed over an unpopulated area, they would fire their rockets.


    The interceptor crews discussed their options. There were two methods of attack using the fire control system, from a wings level attitude or while in a turn. Since the drone was almost continuously turning, they selected the second mode of attack. In repeated attempts, the rockets failed to fire during these maneuvers. This was later traced to a design fault.


    The drone turned northeast, passing Fillmore and Frazier Park. It appeared to be heading toward the sparsely populated western end of the AntelopeValley . Suddenly, it turned southeast toward Los Angeles again. Time seemed to be running out. Einstein and Hurliman decided to abandon the automatic modes, and fire manually. Although the aircraft had been delivered with gun sights, they had been removed a month earlier. After all, why would a pilot need a gun sight to fire unguided rockets with an automatic fire control system?
    The interceptors made their first attack run as the Hellcat crossed the mountains near Castaic. Murray and Hale set their intervalometers to "ripple fire" the rockets in three salvos. The first crew lined up their target and fired, missing their target completely. The second interceptor unleashed a salvo that passed just below the drone. Rockets blazed through the sky and then plunged earthward to spark brush fires seven miles north of Castaic. They decimated 150 acres above the old Ridge Route near BouquetCanyon .



    A second salvo from the two jets also missed the drone, raining rockets near the town of
    Newhall . One bounced across the ground, leaving a string of fires in its wake between the Oak of the GoldenDreamPark and the PlaceritaCanyon oilfield. The fires ignited several oil sumps and burned 100 acres of brush. For a while the blazes raged out of control, threatening the nearby Bermite Powder Company explosives plant. The rockets also ignited a fire in the vicinity of SoledadCanyon , west of Mt.Gleason , burning over 350 acres of heavy brush.
    Meanwhile, the errant drone meandered north toward Palmdale. The Scorpion crews readjusted their intervalometers and each fired a final salvo, expending their remaining rockets. Again, the obsolete, unpiloted, unguided, unarmed, propeller-driven drone evaded the state-of-the-art jet interceptors. In all, the jet crews fired 208 rockets without scoring a single hit.



    The afternoon calm was shattered as Mighty Mouse rockets fell on downtown Palmdale. Edna Carlson was at home with her six-year-old son William when a chunk of shrapnel burst through her front window, bounced off the ceiling, pierced a wall, and finally came to rest in a pantry cupboard. Another fragment passed through J. R. Hingle's garage and home, nearly hitting Mrs. Lilly Willingham as she sat on the couch. A
    LeonaValley teenager, Larry Kempton, was driving west on Palmdale Boulevard with his mother in the passenger seat when a rocket exploded on the street in front of him. Fragments blew out his left front tire, and put numerous holes in the radiator, hood, windshield, and even the firewall. Miraculously, no one was injured by any of the falling rockets. Explosive Ordnance Disposal teams later recovered 13 duds in the vicinity of Palmdale. It took 500 firefighters two days to bring the brushfires under control.


    Oblivious to the destruction in its wake, the drone passed over the town. Its engine sputtered and died as the fuel supply dwindled. The red Hellcat descended in a loose spiral toward an unpopulated patch of desert eight miles east of PalmdaleAirport . Just before impact, the drone sliced through a set of three Southern CaliforniaEdison power lines along an unpaved section of Avenue P. The camera pod on the airplane's right wingtip dug into the sand while the Hellcat cart-wheeled and disintegrated. There was no fire.















    =

    A final salute from an old warrior, thumbing his nose at the young pups in town before slowly fading away!:ingo::patriot:
     
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Jan 21, 2011
    1,781
    48
    Found this while randomly googling something else:
    Aircraft Downed During the Cold War and Thereafter

    [SIZE=+1]22 June 1955 A US Navy P2V-5 Neptune of VP-9 (BuNo 131515), flying a patrol mission from Kodiak Alaska, was attacked over the Bering Strait by two Soviet MiG-15 Fagots. The aircraft crash-landed on St. Lawrence Island after an engine was set afire. Of the eleven crew members, including pilot Richard F. Fischer, co-pilot David M. Lockhard, Donald E. Sonnek, Thaddeus Maziarz, Martin E. Berg, Eddie Benko, David Assard and Charles Shields, four sustained injuries due to gunfire and six were injured during the landing. The USA demanded $724,947 in compensation;[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]the USSR finally paid half this amount.[/SIZE]
    International waters, but still interesting.

    Am I supposed to just let this go by without an explanation?
     
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Jan 21, 2011
    1,781
    48
    I was just checking on that. We got ra**ally profiled in another thread and I was wondering where the boundaries actually were. Russian Fagots = ok. The word r**e = NO!

    you have cleared that right up, thanks!
     

    Fawkes

    Marksman
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Sep 4, 2012
    165
    16
    Fagot is a bundle of sticks traditionally. And the Mig 15 is a really cool airplane. Stolen British/US engine tech combined with winnowed Nazi jet research.
     
    Top Bottom