Riley Carry Gun Match 5-13

[downrange72]

Riley Conservation Club will be carrying on the outdoor tradition of the Carry Gun Match inspired by Aron Bright (coach)

The match will be held on Bay 7 (the farthest Bay). The match will start at 0900 and competitors can sign up for a slot. Currently the match is set up to accommodate 20 shooters. Registration will be opened up for a 2nd gun (can only shoot a division once). First gun will be $20 and second gun will be $10. PLEASE HAVE EXACT CHANGE.

Registration is slightly different. You are now signing up for a "time period." You can register both guns during that time period. If the "squad" is full, just register 2nd gun in a time slot in the next "squad." This is a test to see if it will be easier to score on the tablet.

Squad 1 is 9:00-9:45
Squad 2 is 10:00 to 10:45
Squad 3 is 11:00 to 11:45
Squad 4 is 12:00 to 12:45
Squad 5 is 1:00 to 1:45

Below are the rules as written by Aron.

"The philosophy behind this match is for it to be a shooting test as related to "real world", every day carry that any armed civilian may encounter. It will be a match since we are keeping score. There will not be gun restrictions, nor caliber restrictions. The courses of fire will always be between one and twelve shots. A shooter will have to do a mandatory reload in many courses of fire requiring more than six shots.

There will be two divisions. Open, which is anything goes. Limited, which means no optics, lasers, lights, or ported barrels. The gun must be worn to the match and worn from the match. There will be no safe area for gun handling. The gun must remain in the holster except when on the firing line under the direct observation and authority of the range officer. After completing each course of fire the shooter will change magazines and safely re-holster and therefore be ready for the next course of fire. Prior to each course of fire the shooter will be given the opportunity for a press check. No sight pictures maybe taken during the press check.

This match will be shot from concealment. The gun and holster must be completely concealed while standing with both arms extended and raised to the shoulder level. All reloads must come from a concealed position on the belt or from a pocket.

Requirements:

Ear and Eye protection

Holster that securely attaches to a belt (No ankle or shoulder holsters)

2 magazines or speed loaders (more would be better)"

This match will be at least 8-9 stages with round count TBD but generally in the 75-90 range

It maybe a little bit before I can post the sign up

 

[blkrifle]

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[Xterminator]

Plenty of spots open

 

[04FXSTS]

Signed up to give it a try, I have been shooting IDPA for many years but this sounds like fun and fairly close. Any advice on what I will be finding different from IDPA would be appreciated. Jim.

 

[CB1911]

Signed up to give it a try, I have been shooting IDPA for many years but this sounds like fun and fairly close. Any advice on what I will be finding different from IDPA would be appreciated. Jim.

I love the Carry Gun Matches. Especially the current format where you sign up for a time slot. You get to shoot the whole match all at once and often I have been in and out of there in 20 to 30 minutes. Works well for me as I normally work weekends during the summer season and that saves me from taking leave.Dont get me wrong, I still love a day long IDPA match, but I treat those as special events.
But here is what I really love about the current Carry Gun Match. You don't get any time to keep going through a stage, watching other competitors for tips or traps, helping paste targets to get comfy with the layout, before settling on what you think is your best strategy. No this is a few seconds of descriptions and commands from the range officers and then it is Go Time! Once you finish that COF you immediately walk a few feet to the next stage and in a minute or so it is Go Time again! Sometimes I read comments about competition is not training but IMO the Carry Gun Matches are about as good of a stress inoculation as your going to get on a range as you exercise your skills and gear. One last difference for me personally, I tend to push myself a little more with speed with the hit factor scoring compared to down zero. Unless it's an Alpha/Delta only match! These are fun matches put on by great staff.

 

[04FXSTS]

Sounds like something I will like. One thing I like about IDPA is the friendships I have formed over the years. I shoot at Atlanta and Wildcat Valley mostly, there are places I could shoot that are closer but those are where most of my friends are. The way it sounds it reminds me of IDPA when I started. Short and up close with a fairly low round count. Now it seems as though you hardly ever see a round count less than 16 in a course of fire. Like that type course better just personal preference. Jim.

 

[2-Alpha]

… Any advice on what I will be finding different from IDPA would be appreciated. ….

The whole hot range and time-slot squadding thing is completely different from any other match. Other than that, the main thing would be that these use the USPSA-style hit-factor scoring—points divided by time. Usually with A/D minor scoring, so anything that’s not in the A zone (like the “-0” zone in IDPA) is treated like a D-zone hit. So 5 points for a center hit, 1 point for anything else on the target, and -10 points for a miss or a no-shoot hit.

 

[downrange72]

I love the Carry Gun Matches. Especially the current format where you sign up for a time slot. You get to shoot the whole match all at once and often I have been in and out of there in 20 to 30 minutes. Works well for me as I normally work weekends during the summer season and that saves me from taking leave.Dont get me wrong, I still love a day long IDPA match, but I treat those as special events.
But here is what I really love about the current Carry Gun Match. You don't get any time to keep going through a stage, watching other competitors for tips or traps, helping paste targets to get comfy with the layout, before settling on what you think is your best strategy. No this is a few seconds of descriptions and commands from the range officers and then it is Go Time! Once you finish that COF you immediately walk a few feet to the next stage and in a minute or so it is Go Time again! Sometimes I read comments about competition is not training but IMO the Carry Gun Matches are about as good of a stress inoculation as your going to get on a range as you exercise your skills and gear. One last difference for me personally, I tend to push myself a little more with speed with the hit factor scoring compared to down zero. Unless it's an Alpha/Delta only match! These are fun matches put on by great staff.

That means a lot. We try to keep it in Aron's vision and this was part of it. People have mentioned they like wouldn't reload in a self defense situation, and they're probably right. We try to capture all the skills needed to survive

I forgot the strong hand weak hand last month. But, that is an important skill to learn.

I keep forgetting to add "getting off the x" for start positions though I generally practice that. Did a fun drill with just me last weekend of pasting targets and as soon as I was done the "threat" happened. Not real life but worked on getting distance laterally and retreat from concealment. He used to make someone hold an empty shell container to simulate a phone (which I've done in other training)

If I can figure out how to do some standards, I'll be adding them this summer.

 

[2-Alpha]

Aron did a lot of starting in a box and shooting from outside of it (or vice versa) at his matches. Works to get the movement off the X baked into the stage.

The shoot-through to a no-shoot angles at the last match were a nice touch BTW. Aron would have approved. :-)

 

[SmileDocHill]

Is this always the same time each month? Like "2nd Saturday" or something? I can't make it on May 13 but REALLY want to start doing these.

 

[downrange72]

Aron did a lot of starting in a box and shooting from outside of it (or vice versa) at his matches. Works to get the movement off the X baked into the stage.

The shoot-through to a no-shoot angles at the last match were a nice touch BTW. Aron would have approved. :-)

He's done it in Avon but this is an adaptation from Lee Weems. We could make it harder and say you can't sweep the white guys buy I'd fail that everytime

 

[downrange72]

Is this always the same time each month? Like "2nd Saturday" or something? I can't make it on May 13 but REALLY want to start doing these.

We try but I'm not sure if we can have in June.
Area 5 steel challenge is the 2nd weekend

Steve and I will be out of town the 4th weekend for CO nationals. It will probably be up to Jeramie and Greg

But to make a short answer longer, we try for 2nd Saturday

 

[downrange72]

Aron did a lot of starting in a box and shooting from outside of it (or vice versa) at his matches. Works to get the movement off the X baked into the stage.

Yes and I keep telling myself to do this but I keep forgetting as we get into a time crunch

Its generally start outside the box and step in. If it's movement it was start in box and move in direction and shoot. You have to be moving and final shot is before a designated fault line.

 

[2-Alpha]

Sometimes he did start in a box you can’t see the targets from so you have to move to engage. He did that in Avon with the tarp walls on the indoor range.

 

[downrange72]

Sometimes he did start in a box you can’t see the targets from so you have to move to engage. He did that in Avon with the tarp walls on the indoor range.

I think you are referring to the hidden stages where there is no walk through. They were a great idea but people questioned that the set up crew would have an advantage. With anywhere from 3-6 of us helping, this maybe something to consider in the future. It won't be as elaborate because with 7-9 stages, there isn't much room and these are set up intensive outside

 

[ECS686]

I think you are referring to the hidden stages where there is no walk through. They were a great idea but people questioned that the set up crew would have an advantage. With anywhere from 3-6 of us helping, this maybe something to consider in the future. It won't be as elaborate because with 7-9 stages, there isn't much room and these are set up intensive outside

Im not running anything just a suggestion from running matches before. The only way to fairly do it is whoever runs the match can’t obviously shoot it and shooters can only shoot it once.

The other idea is a skills test ran cold on the first stage like a Bakersfield or modified Bakersfield etc. then again shooters should only be allowed to run the match once to not allow warm ups. Also in spirit of the match nobody should practice before the blind or skills stage. No sight picture no practice drawing zilch. Just like a parking lot when it happens!

 

[downrange72]

Im not running anything just a suggestion from running matches before. The only way to fairly do it is whoever runs the match can’t obviously shoot it and shooters can only shoot it once.

The other idea is a skills test ran cold on the first stage like a Bakersfield or modified Bakersfield etc. then again shooters should only be allowed to run the match once to not allow warm ups. Also in spirit of the match nobody should practice before the blind or skills stage. No sight picture no practice drawing zilch. Just like a parking lot when it happens!

Yeah its why we don't do the blind stages. Keep it with skills. I'm definitely looking at some sort of version of quals once I figure out how to score them and not slow down a match. Maybe bits and pieces in two stages or something.

 

[2-Alpha]

I remember the blind stages Aron did at Parabellum, but that presents issues of fairness at a match like you’ve mentioned. I was just talking about putting some barrels or a wall between the start box and the targets to force people to move between the beep and the first shot.

With a press-check but no sight picture it’s kind of close to a cold run, but you still get a bit of a walk-through.

 

[Xterminator]

We have about 5 spots open. Tell a friend or bring the wife. It's a blast

 

[Xterminator]

Great turnout today. Good to see revolver guys shooting.