Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

[oze]

France and Britain had a defense pact with Poland and did declare war on Germany last time,but they could not provide much to prevent the fall of Poland. When the dust settled years later Poland was a carved up country(in the north Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia were part of Poland back then...the rest I am not going to bother looking up,but it ended WW2 much smaller than it was).

Poland gained some territory from Germany, lost a lot more to the commies.

 

[Hawkeye]

France and Britain had a defense pact with Poland and did declare war on Germany last time,but they could not provide much to prevent the fall of Poland. When the dust settled years later Poland was a carved up country(in the north Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia were part of Poland back then...the rest I am not going to bother looking up,but it ended WW2 much smaller than it was).

Kinda wrong. The Baltic States were NOT part of Poland. They were independent States. In 1939, Germany and the USSR partitioned Poland with USSR advancing the Red Army to the Bug River. Following WW2, The USSR retained that part of Poland and Poland's western border was shifted West to the Oder River, taking territory from Germany. Poland also annexed the southern part of East Prussia (German territory) with the northern part of EP annexed by the USSR.

 

[Hohenheim]

Perhaps its just hot news designed to sell, but I hear almost on the daily how we ALMOST went to war with China, Russia, or North Korea. A rogue missile here, a navy stand off there, an angry press conference somewhere on the news. Something is always almost sparking war. I eventually stopped listening because it got too repetitive. I personally think government officials and their backers like their money too much to shut down the majority of world trade if two world superpowers went to war. Anyone here genuinely believe we are on the brink of war? If so, what's your reasoning?

 

[BugI02]

Perhaps its just hot news designed to sell, but I hear almost on the daily how we ALMOST went to war with China, Russia, or North Korea. A rogue missile here, a navy stand off there, an angry press conference somewhere on the news. Something is always almost sparking war. I eventually stopped listening because it got too repetitive. I personally think government officials and their backers like their money too much to shut down the majority of world trade if two world superpowers went to war. Anyone here genuinely believe we are on the brink of war? If so, what's your reasoning?

 

[actaeon277]

Perhaps its just hot news designed to sell, but I hear almost on the daily how we ALMOST went to war with China, Russia, or North Korea. A rogue missile here, a navy stand off there, an angry press conference somewhere on the news. Something is always almost sparking war. I eventually stopped listening because it got too repetitive. I personally think government officials and their backers like their money too much to shut down the majority of world trade if two world superpowers went to war. Anyone here genuinely believe we are on the brink of war? If so, what's your reasoning?

Well, calling up the ready reserve is something unusual.

 

[actaeon277]

Tell someone that's been out of the military for a year that they have to go back, and see his reaction.

 

[Hohenheim]

Well, calling up the ready reserve is something unusual.

I agree but there seems to be a lot of countries flexing their might. It may just be another show of force with no intention behind it

 

[actaeon277]

And yes, there are almost always "incidents".

That's why when planes are near our coast, I roll my eyes.
We do it, they do it, no biggie.


But the incidents seem to be increasing in freq and level, to the point the a Government claiming to value peace peace peace, is calling up ready reservists.

 

[actaeon277]

Maybe giving millions/billions in "aid", and tanks, and cluster bombs could be amping up the volume.

 

[smokingman]

Ukrainian troops are abandoning US tactics in their counteroffensive because they haven't worked

Ukrainian troops trained and equipped by the West have made only modest gains in their counteroffensive against Russia.

www.yahoo.com

Russia is jamming 'sophisticated' US weapons being used in Ukraine, making them useless, report says

A ferocious electronic warfare battle is being waged between Ukraine and Russia as they seek to disable missiles and other weapons.

www.yahoo.com

 

[BugI02]

Russia is jamming 'sophisticated' US weapons being used in Ukraine, making them useless, report says

A ferocious electronic warfare battle is being waged between Ukraine and Russia as they seek to disable missiles and other weapons.

www.yahoo.com

Work is already well along at developing quantum electronics based inertial sensors that are several orders of magnitude more precise than laser ring gyros, making inertial navigation (which relies on no signal and is thus unjammable) accurate enough for precision weapon targeting

War will only speed up innovation, same as always

 

[BugI02]

Americans grow tired of sending money to Ukraine - Washington Examiner

AMERICANS GROW TIRED OF SENDING MONEY TO UKRAINE. President Joe Biden has often said the United States will continue military aid to Ukraine "for as long as it takes" to win the war with Russia. On Jan. 25 of this year, for example, Biden said to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, "We're...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Mgderf]

Americans grow tired of sending money to Ukraine - Washington Examiner

AMERICANS GROW TIRED OF SENDING MONEY TO UKRAINE. President Joe Biden has often said the United States will continue military aid to Ukraine "for as long as it takes" to win the war with Russia. On Jan. 25 of this year, for example, Biden said to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, "We're...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Trump has already declared, if reelected, he will end U.S. aid to Ukraine.
If Ukraine is going to make serious advances toward independence, they had better do it quick...

 

[Leadeye]

This war will never end until political leadership works something out. Each offensive gets gradually weaker as logistically it's more costly to stay on the offensive. One side increases it's supplies and launches an offensive that runs out of gas and then the other side has a go, much like the Iran Iraq war. At the end of the day it looks like WW1 punctuated with strikes on soft targets that will be denounced as terrorism.

You will continue to hear, and the Russians will hear it on thier side how we just need another trillion to vanquish the enemy. As long as the Russian leadership is willing to burn up their economy and the US keeps playing sugar daddy, the war will go on, and on, and on.

 

[cobber]

Work is already well along at developing quantum electronics based inertial sensors that are several orders of magnitude more precise than laser ring gyros, making inertial navigation (which relies on no signal and is thus unjammable) accurate enough for precision weapon targeting

War will only speed up innovation, same as always

So we're training the Russians to defeat our technology? That makes sense in some universe, perhaps.

 

[BugI02]

So we're training the Russians to defeat our technology? That makes sense in some universe, perhaps.

We are giving the Russians the opportunity to find battlefield work-arounds on our current, deployed technology. They in turn are showing us exploitable vulnerabilities in that technology so we can shore them up or introduce new technology to solve the impasse

The flip side is also true, we see the weaknesses of their deployed technology and how that might be exploited and the Russians in turn learn where their equipment is in need of upgrade and do so if they are able

That's been going on since Vietnam and the pace has only been accelerating

 

[Hawkeye]

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If Ukraine is going to make serious advances toward independence, they had better do it quick...

Hate to break it to you, but Ukraine has been independent since August 24, 1991. Its history as a country goes back to 882.

 

[Mgderf]

Hate to break it to you, but Ukraine has been independent since August 24, 1991. Its history as a country goes back to 882.

I meant to retain it's independence.

 

[Hawkeye]

I meant to retain it's independence.

Seems like they have done just that.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

Seems like they have done just that.

If the US suddenly cut off support for them, though, I doubt they'd retain it much longer. They would need a much more decisive victory first.