Russia vs. Ukraine Part 3

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[Thor]

We just keep giving them enough to keep fighting, we have never given then enough to win. If we had given them enough to win in the beginning it would be over and it would have cost less.

 

[BugI02]

We just keep giving them enough to keep fighting, we have never given then enough to win. If we had given them enough to win in the beginning it would be over and it would have cost less.

Or perhaps if Biden and the Ukraine government weren't skimming so much off the top it would be enough. Why do they need money, anyway. Can they somehow buy war materiel faster from some other source than we can supply it? Is there a cash market for 155mm shells somewhere?

 

[smokingman]

We just keep giving them enough to keep fighting, we have never given then enough to win. If we had given them enough to win in the beginning it would be over and it would have cost less.

Russia is spending surprisingly little on its war on Ukraine

An analysis from the Economist suggests Russia's war spending is a small amount on a historical basis.

markets.businessinsider.com

Just US donated funds have been more than Russia has spent. Russia is spending roughly 3% of their GDP on the war or 67 billion in 2022 and roughly on track for that amount in 2023(per https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...is-russia-spending-on-its-invasion-of-ukraine ). Russia still had a budget surplus in 2022 and this years will be far larger than lasts.

Just money can not win a war.

 

[smokingman]

Senate Republicans have tied Biden's foreign defense funding to tackling the migrant crisis at the southern border, prolonging the Ukraine aid holdup further, and maybe indefinitely.

Interestingly, the Senate forum that Zelensky was to address involved a classified briefing. Likely he realized he was not going to convince anyone, and his 'star status' has long since been in decline. At this moment, even the mayor of Kyiv is attacking him, calling Zelensky an "autocrat" and "corrupt" - and saying Ukraine is losing because of this.

Zelensky Abruptly Cancels Address To Senators, Lashes Out At Failure To Secure More Taxpayer Funds | ZeroHedge

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[Ark]

Russia is spending surprisingly little on its war on Ukraine

An analysis from the Economist suggests Russia's war spending is a small amount on a historical basis.

markets.businessinsider.com

Just US donated funds have been more than Russia has spent. Russia is spending roughly 3% of their GDP on the war or 67 billion in 2022 and roughly on track for that amount in 2023(per https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...is-russia-spending-on-its-invasion-of-ukraine ). Russia still had a budget surplus in 2022 and this years will be far larger than lasts.

Just money can not win a war.

Uhhhhh I was told Russia was bankrupted by war and sanctions and on the verge of collapse

 

[BugI02]

 

[miguel]

Third thread is the charm...

 

[actaeon277]

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Also, experts make mistakes all the time.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

Or perhaps if Biden and the Ukraine government weren't skimming so much off the top it would be enough. Why do they need money, anyway. Can they somehow buy war materiel faster from some other source than we can supply it? Is there a cash market for 155mm shells somewhere?

QFT

 

[smokingman]

How Russia Punched an $11 Billion Hole in the West’s Oil Sanctions

Moscow’s monthly income from oil exports is greater now than before the invasion of Ukraine, highlighting the failure of measures to curb its war chest.

www.bloomberg.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/05/russia-ukraine-war-cop28-uae-vladimir-putin-saudi-arabia/2e7543cc-93f0-11ee-9d5c-d462c9032daa_story.html

Putin Trots Around Middle East, All Smiles With MbS, While US Can't Secure Ukraine Funding | ZeroHedge

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[mausermadness]

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I remember when the experts said Kyiv would fall in 72 hours. I will say I'm surprised it's gone this long

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[smokingman]

Senate Republican says US needs to accept Ukraine will ‘cede some territory’ to Russia

Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) said Sunday that the United States needs to accept that Ukraine will likely need to “cede some territory” to Russia to end the fighting. Vance told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union” that he is opposed to sending more aid to Ukraine because he does not believe the...

www.yahoo.com

Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) said Sunday that the United States needs to accept that Ukraine will likely need to “cede some territory” to Russia to end the fighting.

Vance told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union” that he is opposed to sending more aid to Ukraine because he does not believe the country will ever be able to overpower Russia. He questioned why sending billions in aid to Ukraine is going to help the country at this point in its war against Russia, considering previous aid has yet to end the war.

“What’s in America’s best interest is to accept Ukraine is going to have to cede some territory to the Russians, and we need to bring this war to a close,” Vance said. “But when I think about the great human tragedy here, hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans innocent have been killed in this conflict. The thing that’s in our interest and in theirs is to stop the killing.”

 

[bwframe]

Money, money, money...
...money without accountability...

 

[BugI02]

Money, money, money...
...money [90%] without accountability...

The other 10% is ... err ... spoken for

 

[bwframe]

Johnson says, no money without accountability. And no money for Ukraine border, without money for our border.

 

[snapping turtle]

Seems like the FUSA is sending a major general to uk rain. Looks like a new battle strategy is in order. Maybe the little singing Man is falling out of favor in with the powers that be.

I hope that a peace could be achieved but I do believe that will not happen soon.

 

[KellyinAvon]

I remember when the experts said Kyiv would fall in 72 hours. I will say I'm surprised it's gone this long

Those are the same experts who said Kabul WOULDN'T fall in 72 hours.

 

[KellyinAvon]

So let me see if I've got this straight...

The Rooskie military, that has been bogged down in a quagmire, for almost 2 years, in Ukraine, in a conflict that looks like WWI with drones, where they had to break out T-60 series tanks, over a year ago, because their War Reserve Materiel was complete crap, is a threat?