SB BRACE

[Leggdpms]

Is it now illegal to shoulder fire a pistol with the brace on it? I was showed a letter from the ATF saying it was but I don't believe it. I don't see why it would be a big deal shoulder firing the ak since it doesn't have a buffer tube like the AR pistols.

 

[Drakkule]

Yes it's legal, "no illegal way to shoot a pistol" and all.

 

[wolfman]

Yes it's legal, "no illegal way to shoot a pistol" and all.

Mmmm depends on what is attached to it. Put a stock, or a device that can be utilized as a stock, to extend the grip far enough to allow that part of the pistol to be braced against your shoulder, and it "could" become illegal. IMNAL

 

[Principal Skinr]

Mmmm depends on what is attached to it. Put a stock, or a device that can be utilized as a stock, to extend the grip far enough to allow that part of the pistol to be braced against your shoulder, and it "could" become illegal. IMNAL

Put a stock on it and it is no longer a pistol.

 

[wolfman]

Put a stock on it and it is no longer a pistol.

Put a stock on a pistol and it becomes an NFA item once a pistol, always a pistol unless you SBR it.

 

[Shootin'IN]

From what I understand the SIG Brace is still legal but not the ones that came out recently.
Because the BATF has not reversed the first legalizing of the SIG Brace.
Not that they can't do that it just has not been done yet.

 

[Alamo]

Cinderella and ATF?s Determination: The Fairy Tale of an AR Pistol to SBR through Magic | Prince Law Offices, P.C.

Also, relatedly:
Black Aces Tactical, the SigTac SB15 arm brace and ATF?s misguided determination letter | Prince Law Offices, P.C.

 

[warthog]

nevermind.

 

[Leggdpms]

How do you know the difference in the ones that came out earlier than the rest? I have a ATF letter with my sb47. Can someone sum up the article for me? Sounds ignorate but I've had some holiday adult drinks lol

 

[chezuki]

So much misinformation in this thread.

 

[warthog]

So much misinformation in this thread.

Isn't the interweb fun?

 

[seedubs1]

He was referring to the recent letter regarding the "shockwave" ar pistol stabilizing device. It states the device doesn't convert an ar pistol to an NFA device "provided the Blade Ar Pistol Stabilizer is used as originally designed and NOT used as a shoulder stock." (directly quoted from the FTISB letter, and yes, it was underlined to emphasize this in the letter)

Based on the recent letter, it could be construed as illegal to fire a pistol with the "shockwave" stabilizing device in a particular way.

And this could have implications regarding the sig brace as well. Or the utilization of other devices if they are not used as intended.

Big win for BATFE/FTISB. Nothing like ruling with an iron fist completely unchecked and unchallenged.

Yes it's legal, "no illegal way to shoot a pistol" and all.

 

[Leggdpms]

So is it still one to shoulder fire the SB brace but not the shockwave brace?

 

[seedubs1]

Forgot, there's also this letter from the FTISB directly contradicting their previous letters regarding the sig brace:
https://princelaw.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/sig-brace-nov-2014.pdf

"Consequently, the attachment of the SB-15 brace to an AR-type pistol alone; would not change the classification of the pistol to an SBR. However, if this device, modified or un-modified; is assembled to a pistol and used as a shoulder stock, thus designing or redesigning or making or remaking of a weapon designed to be fired from the shoulder; this assembly would constitute the making of a "rifle" as defined in 18 U.S.C. Section 921 (a)(7)."
(Directly quoted from the FTISB letter)

So it looks like it is now illegal to shoot the Sig brace from the shoulder when attached to a pistol as the FTISB now considers the act of firing a pistol with the sig brace from the shoulder conversion of the pistol to a NFA item.

 

[Leggdpms]

Humm so this is ar style pistols only? I've not seen anything about the sb47 brace yet. I wouldn't see why it would be a big deal to shoulder the sb47 as it doesn't have a buffer tube to use as the ar style pistols do.

 

[Excalibur]

Just in case, my next project is getting the Thorsden kit

 

[wolfman]

Humm so this is ar style pistols only? I've not seen anything about the sb47 brace yet. I wouldn't see why it would be a big deal to shoulder the sb47 as it doesn't have a buffer tube to use as the ar style pistols do.

Same deal. Take a pistol, "any" pistol, and add an attachment with the ability/intent of the attachment being used to steady the pistol utilizing contact between the attachment and a persons shoulder, and you have just manufactured by intent or accident, an NFA regulated SBR.

 

[Bluejeeper]

Same deal. Take a pistol, "any" pistol, and add an attachment with the ability/intent of the attachment being used to steady the pistol utilizing contact between the attachment and a persons shoulder, and you have just manufactured by intent or accident, an NFA regulated SBR.

By that logic, if you put a buffer tube on a pistol, you have made an SBR

 

[Vamptepes]

By that logic you might as well buy the tax stamp for 200 since it's not much more then the brace to begin with.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

We are not talking about logic, we are talking about the federal government. If we were applying logic, the discussion would stop at "shall not be infringed".

The NFA rules are a mockery of the law anyway so it should not surprise us in the least that there are nonsensical and contrary statements and interpretations (the constitution being the governing document of "the law).

When the law is illegal, attempts to interpret or comply with it becomes quickly ridiculous.

Look to the flavor of the month nfa letters or rulings or statements, but forget logic because it has no place in the discussion.