Should the government recognize the right of non-resident aliens to bear arms?

[The Bubba Effect]

ETA: You and I both used to instruct for Appleseed. Do you recall the big shoot they had in IL a few years ago? Suppose those 10,000 had signed up and paid their fee to attend. Would you have instructed them? I would have, had I been there. I'd have loved the opportunity to teach them the beginnings, the basics of what America is and where it came from. (end edit)

Again, you are welcome to disagree. I lay out in this post my rationale. You may share it or discard it, at your discretion.

Blessings,
Bill

I likely would have, provided I felt that doing so would strengthen the cause of liberty and not provide training to enemies of my nation.

I would not have worked a shoot for a company of Red Chinese infantry, but would have been honored to work a shoot for a company of our infantry.

 

[Libertarian01]

As someone who believes that rights exist due to the nature of the organism and not the law of the land, I have to vote for everyone having the right to keep and bear arms.

This right exists to every human being worldwide, irregardless of what country they may find themselves in. Now, whether that country chooses to acknowledge and protect that right is another issue entirely, but the fact that the right exists is indisputable in my mind.

I don't believe that just because someone may be here in violation of immigration law that they are somehow stripped of their rights as human beings. If such were the case, we could simply do ICE sweeps of businesses, neighborhoods, and towns wherupon finding illegal aliens we simply line them up, shoot them in the head and burn the bodies. After all, if their lack of conformance to immigration law strips them of their right to keep and bear arms, it surely must also strip them of their simple privilege to a trial and due process.

Because if we lose our rights simply by being in violation of one set of laws (immigration) then surely we must also lose our rights by being in violation of tax laws, which would make probably every American who has ever filed a criminal if we looked close enough. I would be willing to wager a case of beer that no one could survive a full IRS audit. But we don't like the IRS, so breaking their rules isn't as bad as breaking immigration rules, which we do like, right? Or am I in error on this?

We become Fudd's if we don't defend the rights of the weakest to defend themselves, just as the Fudd's don't defend others rights to own non-hunting firearms.

Regards,

Doug

 

[Alphamale]

Self preservation is a fundamental human right.

100%

 

[IndyDave1776]

I don't believe that just because someone may be here in violation of immigration law that they are somehow stripped of their rights as human beings.

The issue of whether or not it should be permissible for illegal aliens to be armed is really a nonissue. If they are found, they should be immediately removed making the question of a right to be armed completely irrelevant.

 

[Libertarian01]

The issue of whether or not it should be permissible for illegal aliens to be armed is really a nonissue. If they are found, they should be immediately removed making the question of a right to be armed completely irrelevant.

Do you mean "immediately removed" as in kicked out without any type of hearing? Or do you mean subjected to the laws of the land following all legal procedures, protocols, and processes?

Not picking, honest question.

Regards,

Doug

 

[Kutnupe14]

100%

Would you agree that selling one's labor, to a person wishing to extend employment, is as well?

 

[Libertarian01]

Would you agree that selling one's labor, to a person wishing to extend employment, is as well?

I don't think a shooter can answer, can he?

That was fast!

Doug

 

[IndyDave1776]

Do you mean "immediately removed" as in kicked out without any type of hearing? Or do you mean subjected to the laws of the land following all legal procedures, protocols, and processes?

Not picking, honest question.

Regards,

Doug

Why should this be more complicated than having any other trespasser removed?

 

[Libertarian01]

Why should this be more complicated than having any other trespasser removed?

Because the law says there is a process.

Regards,

Doug

 

[IndyDave1776]

Because the law says there is a process.

Regards,

Doug

That is easy enough to correct aside from the fact the the people who own the politicians don't want anything productive done about illegal immigration. Laws are not self-justifying.

 

[locki433]

No.

 

[jamil]

No.

Perhaps you'd like to expand on that a little.

 

[Libertarian01]

Perhaps you'd like to expand on that a little.

Hey now...! That is a quality post.

Proper capitalization and punctuation. Succinct and to the point.

What more do you want?

Doug

PS - LOW quality, but quality.

 

[jamil]

There is usually a lot to unpack from a word like "no".

 

[JettaKnight]

There is usually a lot to unpack from a word like "no".

No.