Sig P320

[Dutchisaurus]

Thoughts?

Detective sues Sig Sauer after she says her holstered P320 handgun nearly killed her

Gunmaker has previously denied liability for similar claims involving the P320.

abcnews.go.com

 

[ditcherman]

Glad you started this thread. I’m carrying one, after much reading about it.

I read the article when you linked it in the other thread, and one of the first things I noticed was her displaying it in a Serpa holster. It’s probably more of a problem that departments are issuing serpa holsters than p320’s, although I’m sure someone will be along with data showing serpa discharges. Maybe none, I don’t know?

Her defense of, “well there’s just no way something got in the trigger guard down inside my purse as I was swinging it around” as her one and only analytical point seems kind of weak. She’s ok with a serpa, so that’s where her standards are. And maybe that’s just for display, we don’t know.

I’m not here to defend my position of carrying one, I’m here to defend the truth like my life depends on it, and look forward to what others have to bring.

 

[ditcherman]

I had a chance to pull the trigger on one with an Agency Arms trigger installed

Agency Arms SIG P320 Trigger DLC Black - Omaha Outdoors

Agency Arms SIG P320 Trigger DLC Black - For Sale - MPN: DIT-320-B - UPC: 676538019359 - Price: $75.00 - MSRP: $75.00 - Notify Me

www.omahaoutdoors.com

that adds a blade in the center, similar to most other striker fired pistols. It was not as nice as mine, which has been tuned with a Grayguns rough service/duty trigger with a 6 lb pull.
The owner said you had to concentrate on being low enough on the trigger as the fulcrum point on the blade was different than standard. I like the idea, but I also like my trigger.

 

[88E30M50]

Is it possible that under some rare circumstance, the striker catches on something when a round is chambered and then is now, in effect, single action with a compressed striker spring until it clears whatever it was that blocked the striker? Even then, the firing pin safety would prevent discharge though.

My guess is it’s more of a holster issue. Serpa holsters are not tight fitting and the gun will slip out if the catch is depressed. They are not designed for purse use since if the catch gets pushed by something and the pistol slides out of the holster partially, then slides back in with debris in the trigger guard, it may go off.

That’s the only logical thing I can think of.

Btw, that’s a really badly written article done in a way to communicate a conclusion instead of communicating news

 

[ditcherman]

Agreed, and to be clear, we don’t know what holster it was in, in the purse. That could just be a display/transport holster for the litigation, she could be completely squared away for all we know.
How many cops purse carry?

 

[88E30M50]

True. Could be a common practice for her to take the holster off while at the desk though. Serpa holsters are not comfortable when configured as shown. That might be especially true for a woman's body. I tried the pancake attachment on the Serpa holsters that I've owned in the past and it sucked.

 

[88E30M50]

Also, agreed about the holster not being confirmed but it was presented in a way that suggests that it was the one in use

 

[ditcherman]

mechanics-behind-sig-p320-drop-safety-failures

An article explaining the problem, from back in 17, and how the firing pin safety is defeated during the original problem of being dropped. Basically too heavy of a trigger.
So that's not this, but I gained some understanding of how it works.

 

[WebSnyper]

mechanics-behind-sig-p320-drop-safety-failures

An article explaining the problem, from back in 17, and how the firing pin safety is defeated during the original problem of being dropped. Basically too heavy of a trigger.
So that's not this, but I gained some understanding of how it works.

That was a good read. Thanks for providing the link.

 

[ditcherman]

watch
A crude animation of how the safety features work, surrounded by a sales pitch. Internals animation comes in at 1:55.

watch
The Omaha Outdoors vid that really got the ball rolling back in 17 on the drop testing.
INGO needs to note the guy drop testing in sandals, my man! Also, a comment below video: "guns don't kill people, people kill people", Sig "hold my beer".

I realize these aren't exactly what this thread started as (see avatar) but seem relevant around the whole P 320 conversation.

 

[Dutchisaurus]

I had a P320 I got on a trade. I tried to like it and just couldnt get past the trigger. It just wasnt a gun for me.

I hope the body cam footage referenced in the article comes out. The article makes it sound like the gun clearly discharged as the officers were getting out.

 

[ECS686]

While we don't know the actual facts (I've had LE staff omit a lot of stuff when investigating ADs in my past agency) There's quite a lot of "signs" in the article/news story that points to her.

And if the serpa holster shown was actual looked it wasn't the proper size as the endnof the gun came through. Which fine if on your belt but presuming it was in the main compartment of a purse with junk everywhere The push button gets release while the purse itself pushes the gun out of the holster feom the mizzel extending past and more junk causes trigger to go bang. They just don't go off

And like the Beretta M9 the Sig 320 drop firing was way over exaggerated

 

[Amishman44]

I had a P320 I got on a trade. I tried to like it and just couldn't get past the trigger. It just wasn't a gun for me.
I hope the body cam footage referenced in the article comes out. The article makes it sound like the gun clearly discharged as the officers were getting out.

I had a P320 and didn't like the grip angle (preferring SA revolvers or a Glock) and I sold it.
"But now, P320 is the subject of multiple lawsuits in connection with incidents like Hilton’s, where owners claim the weapon fired without the trigger being pulled."
Sounds like there may be trouble in paradise for Sig Sauer...