So who's built a SBR?

[NateIU10]

I'm filling out my form 1 and had a couple questions for you all-knowing INGOers .

1) Caliber-My lower specifies multi, but I have read the ATF no longer accepts this, so should I just put 5.56mm?

2) Length-How am I supposed to measure the overall length? I don't have the upper yet, and do I measure it with the stock collapsed or extended? Does it have to be exact, because the best I could do is guesstimate it.

3) What do I need to have engraved on the lower? Anyone know anyplace around Bloomington that will do it?

Anyone know if Bloomington is NFA friendly? I was going to give a call down to the Bloomington PD or the Sheriff's office to ask about getting CLEO signatures, but thought I'd ask first.

Any help is appreciated, and I may have a few more questions

 

[Don]

I'm filling out my form 1 and had a couple questions for you all-knowing INGOers .

1) Caliber-My lower specifies multi, but I have read the ATF no longer accepts this, so should I just put 5.56mm? 5.56mm will do just fine

2) Length-How am I supposed to measure the overall length? I don't have the upper yet, and do I measure it with the stock collapsed or extended? Does it have to be exact, because the best I could do is guesstimate it. If your building a ar-15 26.5" or so will do.

3) What do I need to have engraved on the lower? Anyone know anyplace around Bloomington that will do it? Any trophy shop can do it.

Anyone know if Bloomington is NFA friendly? I was going to give a call down to the Bloomington PD or the Sheriff's office to ask about getting CLEO signatures, but thought I'd ask first. Whats this LEO stuff you speak of? I did mine on a trust. No fees no nothing. just the $200 tax.

Any help is appreciated, and I may have a few more questions

Any more questions, ask away.

 

[bigcraig]

1) Use the caliber that you intend to build it into for the primary configuration.

2) A upper reciever mounted on a lower reciever is 7 3/4", you would then add barrel length plus the length of your buttstock "extended".

example: If you use a 10.5" barrel, a Magpul CTR buttstock (which is approx 10.5" long when extended), and 7 3/4 for reciever length.
10.5 + 10.5 + 7.75 = 28.75" There can be some other variables like which FH you intend to use, but the measurments above will get you what you need.

3) If you plan on going the individual route and not the trust, here is what needs to be engraved. Example: John Smith lives in Indianapolis Indiana, this is what is acceptable for the ATF
J. Smith
Indpls. IN

For engraving I use a company called Orion Arms out of Minnesota, as I have seen some engraving jobs butchered by trophy shops because their machines have a hard time with the type III anodizing.

I can't help you if you plan on using a trust for your NFA items, as I prefer the individual route.

 

[shooter521]

2) A upper reciever mounted on a lower reciever is 7 3/4", you would then add barrel length plus the length of your buttstock "extended".

I've always gone with the shortest possible length, i.e. measured it with the buttstock collapsed. By federal law, an SBR is a rifle with a barrel shorter than 16", and/or less than 26" in overall length. If you had a rifle with a 16" barrel that was less than 26" with the stock collapsed, do you think the Feds would consider it an SBR?

3) If you plan on going the individual route and not the trust, here is what needs to be engraved. Example: John Smith lives in Indianapolis Indiana, this is what is acceptable for the ATF
J. Smith
Indpls. IN

Name and location of manufacturer (you) or a commonly accepted abbreviation thereof. Trust/corporate guns need to be engraved with the name and location of the trust or corp, do they not?

For engraving I use a company called Orion Arms out of Minnesota, as I have seen some engraving jobs butchered by trophy shops because their machines have a hard time with the type III anodizing.

+1 on both. Orion has always done a great job for me, and I've got a gun that a local jeweler (who is himself a "gun guy" and who had done work for other C3 owners I know) screwed up. I also imagine your average trophy shop wouldn't have a clue about the ATF's size and depth requirements for the engraving.

I can't help you if you plan on using a trust for your NFA items, as I prefer the individual route.

Me too. I live in a jurisdiction where the CLEO always signs, and I don't have a pre-existing trust or corp. I don't see the need to go through the hassle of setting one up at this point, just to make the C3 process a skosh easier.

 

[NateIU10]

Is there an age restriction on making the SBR? I don't think there is because I can legally buy the rifle, but just wanted to make sure before I go through the rest of this stuff. (I'm under 21).

This is the setup I'm thinking about doing:
CMMG M2 10.3 Upper (VLTOR MUR w/Shell Deflectorand Bolt Assist, Full-Auto Carrier, E.G.R.E.S.S Bolt Upgrade, No Charging Handle Upgrade, Extended/Polished Ramps, A2 Post, YHM Gas Block/Flip Front Sight w/Bayo Lug and Sling Loop, Round Forward Assist, YHM Lightweight Mid-Length Free Float Four Rail, Troy Folding Battle Rear Sight, No Hider) Then add a Noveske KX3.

Any problems? Change anything? Any other suggestions?

 

[shooter521]

Is there an age restriction on making the SBR?

Yes, you must be 21 years of age. Sorry, dude!

This is the setup I'm thinking about doing:
CMMG M2 10.3 Upper (VLTOR MUR w/Shell Deflectorand Bolt Assist, Full-Auto Carrier, E.G.R.E.S.S Bolt Upgrade, No Charging Handle Upgrade, Extended/Polished Ramps, A2 Post, YHM Gas Block/Flip Front Sight w/Bayo Lug and Sling Loop, Round Forward Assist, YHM Lightweight Mid-Length Free Float Four Rail, Troy Folding Battle Rear Sight, No Hider) Then add a Noveske KX3.

Personally, I think the MUR is overkill, there are better choices out there than the YHM tube, and the KX3 is overly heavy and expensive while being of limited utility on a 10.5" gun.

My $.02.

 

[NateIU10]

boooo :-( looks like I've gotta wait a little bit :-( let's just hope no bans go into place before my 21st :-( everyone else will drink on theirs, I will send in my form 1

 

[NateIU10]

where is the age set to 21? All I can find is that you must be able to possess under the GCA, which has the age set at no one under 18.

 

[shooter521]

where is the age set to 21?

It's question #7d on the ATF Form 1...

 

[NateIU10]

ok. See it know. Damn, didn't get that far

Thanks for your help.

 

[Gump]

Nate, check into this a little further before you give up. The form1 only says "Give full details on separate sheet for all "Yes" answers in items 7 and 8"

It doesn't say "Yes" answers disqualify you.
A year or so ago, there was a thread either on Arfcom or M4C.net titled SBR at 18 or some such. IIRC, this kid was from Fla., and got a few RSBR's.​

 

[dblagent]

The only question that I can answer is that Bloomington is NFA friendly from what I have heard. I also have a can for a .22 and the chief signed with no trouble, and I know of someone who owns a ton of full auto gear in the Bloomington area.

 

[NateIU10]

That gives me hope I'll give the BATFE a ring tomorrow sometime, maybe they'll give me an answer.

And it's good to hear we're NFA friendly, but now you've gotta let me try out your can ffftt:

ETA: We've got to get a Bloomington group shoot together sometime. I've only met one person of this board in real life, and we didn't even get to shoot. At the least, maybe a INGO Bloomington dinner maybe?

 

[Don]

It was arfcom, you can do a sbr @18. I wish i had the link for you.

 

[NateIU10]

It was arfcom, you can do a sbr @18. I wish i had the link for you.

Good to hear a reaffirmation of that. Gonna give the ATF a call tomorrow though, just to be sure before I get my pics and prints done.

Thanks for everything guys.

 

[bigcraig]

Don is correct, you can build an SBR at 18.

Let me see if I can find the thread on ARFCOM.

 

[bigcraig]

The thread on ARFCOM was deleted at the OP's request. Not sure why, as it was sticky'd, and had a letter from the ATF confirming that is was indeed legal.

tony_k the mod in the C3 section on ARFCOM told me, that after the original OP recieved his approved form 1, that ALOT of guys from ARFCOM between the ages of 18 and 20 sent in form 1's as well.

 

[NateIU10]

So I found one arfcom thread that said to check the yes box, attach a letter saying that I was under 21, but that it was legal for me to possess the weapon, and that the ATF would approve as long as Indiana law doesn't forbid it.

Now I just have to figure out when I can make it to the PD during fingerprint hours and the CLEO is there, which is going to suck because I have class every day they're open....

 

[Gump]

Nate, if you go the trust route, you won't have to do all that crap. I used Quiken Willmaker, easy as pie.

 

[NateIU10]

I've read about the trust route, but really don't understand how it works/I could set it up. Do I have to pay for the trust? What else special do I have to do? It would actually be way easier for me to do it the trust route, but I'm just unsure how to do it, or set up the trust.

Any help would be appreciated