Suppressor Hunting dead again in Indiana

[chuckp]

Boonedock,

Why can someone hunt with a bow or crossbow that makes about no noise at all but I can't hunt with a sound suppressor. Kind of hypocritical isn't it?

Chuck

 

[ssgjason]

NO YOU GUYS DON'T GET IT POACHING WILL RISE 10 FOLD ....Fact? or numbers out of your...
AND LAST TIME I CHECKED SOMWEONE AGAINST FREEDOM AND LIBERTY IS A TERRORIST! Maybe not a terrorist but I will go with Socialist

in red is mine

 

[DownByTheTracks]

I read through the thread but can't remember who brought up deer and turkey. I can't believe nobody pointed it out yet but I believe that deer and turkey were the game that would still not allow suppressors if the bill had passed...snip

The bill would include hunting deer and turkey with silencers.

@boonedock: There are many states that allow hunting with suppressors, and several that have legalized it recently. To my knowledge none of these states are reporting problems with poaching using lawfully owned suppressors. With the fingerprinting, registration, $200 tax and the 6 month agonizing wait to get the silencer, most folks aren't inclined to use them in an unlawful manner.

 

[DaKruiser]

The bill would include hunting deer and turkey with silencers.

@boonedock: There are many states that allow hunting with suppressors, and several that have legalized it recently. To my knowledge none of these states are reporting problems with poaching using lawfully owned suppressors. With the fingerprinting, registration, $200 tax and the 6 month agonizing wait to get the silencer, most folks aren't inclined to use them in an unlawful manner.

very well said!

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Didn't say legalize it did I now dumbass, have you guys ever been out of the city at night durning deer season, or in the round about time frame? Besides your "deer camps" that you overpay for?

I'll have you know, I only overpay for hog camps.

That .22 wasn't deafining until you wanted it to be.....

No, when you shoot a .22 without safety gear, such as suppressors, you are still harming your hearing.

Legalize suppressors . . . wait for it . . . for the children. Won't you think of the children?

 

[sepe]

The bill would include hunting deer and turkey with silencers.

@boonedock: There are many states that allow hunting with suppressors, and several that have legalized it recently. To my knowledge none of these states are reporting problems with poaching using lawfully owned suppressors. With the fingerprinting, registration, $200 tax and the 6 month agonizing wait to get the silencer, most folks aren't inclined to use them in an unlawful manner.

Did the language change some when it got moved from SB0243 to HB1279? I thought I read that it would be a Class C misdemeanor to take or possess a deer or wild turkey while using a suppressor.

 

[DaKruiser]

Did the language change some when it got moved from SB0243 to HB1279? I thought I read that it would be a Class C misdemeanor to take or possess a deer or wild turkey while using a suppressor.

It was easy to miss read the language, it was never written that deer and turkey would still be a misdemeanor.

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

Did the language change some when it got moved from SB0243 to HB1279? I thought I read that it would be a Class C misdemeanor to take or possess a deer or wild turkey while using a suppressor.

No, the bill said that illegally taking a deer or turkey with a suppressor was a misdemeanor. It always said that.

 

[sepe]

It was easy to miss read the language, it was never written that deer and turkey would still be a misdemeanor.

Sleep may help my bill reading skills. Looking at it now, I see where I misread it.

 

[Scutter01]

Official warning, name-calling, ban, etc. etc.

 

[Britton]

NO YOU GUYS DON'T GET IT POACHING WILL RISE 10 FOLD ....

Not calling anyone names, but this is the stupidest comment in this thread.

 

[boonedock]

Ok then.

 

[curraheeguns]

Assuming that legalizing the use of suppressors while legally hunting will make an individual commit the act of illegal poaching is the worst argument imaginable, it's simply ridiculous.

 

[DarkRose]

For a rational arguement, I don't see poaching as rising. Here's why:

- Most poachers (and I've worked with a few that like to brag, TIP is wonderful...) seem either opportunistic, or cheap. They happen to see a good buck, and take it, or don't want to pay fees, or are felons and can't posses firearms (except blackpowder) anyway. A suppressor for a deer-legal cartridge seems like it's in the price range of $400+, and a $200 stamp, and a 6 month wait. Doesn't fit with the "cheap" part, and I wouldn't expect a poacher to be driving around at all times with a gun and suppressor, which doesn't fit the opportunistic part. And if a felon, couldn't get a legal suppressor anyway.
- Poachers, by definition, aren't LAWFUL HUNTERS (they're not lawful, nor are they hunters, they're poachers, or shooters), since when is any law going to matter to them one way or another? The act of poaching itself carries a greater penalty than using a supressor for taking game, and the hefty penalties for poaching still doesn't deter all poaching.
- Poachers already have bows and crossbows at their disposal for quiet lawbreaking, and easier and cheaper to come by than supressors.

Boonedock, I know I never called you a terrorist, nor did I see anyone else say that, but I agree with the poster above (no time to scroll that far back) that said in a free society, we shouldn't have to ask "why?", only "why not?". It's a tool., legally obtained and posessed, that should be permitted to be used legally as well.
I also disagree with not allowing rifle cartridges for deer hunting, I can understand where some people would see issue with those, but that's another arguement entirely, and not relevant particularly, to this thread. But the arguements brought up for the "why not?" on that have a tleast a small bit of basis in reality.

My , now if you'll excuse me, my six days of 12 hour shifts begins shortly and I must head out to the grind...

 

[jon159753]

No one even mentioned the worst part of this whole thing....

Now how in the Hell am I going to explain why I need these supressors to my lady friend?

I really dont like that a bill that made it all the way to the house can just not be voted on and allowed to die. That is not democracy! It is about time that the entire system changes.

 

[woundedyak]

Looks like AZ is on board

NRA-ILA | Arizona Governor Jan Brewer Signs Law Authorizing Use of Suppressors for All Hunting

 

[avboiler11]

What's more likely to happen first?

Indiana to approve suppressors for hunting, or traditional centerfire/'high power' rifles for whitetail?

 

[Oppugnall]

Anybody know how we get this back on agenda for 2013.. Maybe a more grassroots effort.

 

[CountryBoy19]

Anybody know how we get this back on agenda for 2013.. Maybe a more grassroots effort.

I'm sure it will be back on the agenda. Bills like this normally are. Sometimes it takes a few years to push it through but persistence pays off, and most of the reasonable state reps/senators know this.

 

[Boomstick]

Cant wait til it does go through, .357 max 220gr soft lead bullets behind trailboss powder and this thing hardly makes a pop,