Texas DPS Suspends M&P Use

[Kirk Freeman]

Texas state police suspend use of Smith & Wesson M&P pistols after "concerns".

Don't know if this is ammo related or gun related. I guess we shall see.

DPS Suspends Use of New Handgun Over "Concerns" | The Texas Tribune

 

[jwfuhrman]

The majority of the problems with department issued guns usually stem from end user error and lack of correct training.

 

[M67]

Holy hell, it moved a micron.

 

[tbhausen]

Even trade 357 SIG P226's for 9mm M&P's? Who here would do that?

 

[looney2ns]

"The agency decided to halt the use of the new handguns after a couple of the weapons experienced slight movement of less than 10 microns after repeated firing of about 3,000 rounds, Vinger said."

So enlighten me, what moved?

 

[jagee]

"The agency decided to halt the use of the new handguns after a couple of the weapons experienced slight movement of less than 10 microns after repeated firing of about 3,000 rounds, Vinger said."

So enlighten me, what moved?

The weapons, duh.

 

[Dead Duck]

#1- While firing a weapon, it shouldn't move. Check.

Wow - I need to return ALL my guns now that I know what to watch for....

 

[Miles42]

Sounds like some politician took a bride from another manufacturer.

 

[chezuki]

Even trade 357 SIG P226's for 9mm M&P's? Who here would do that?

Me!

(though Kirk will tell you it's only because I enjoyed The Avengers more than NCIS)

 

[Kutnupe14]

The majority of the problems with department issued guns usually stem from end user error and lack of correct training.

Given how large, I assume, the Texas State Police agency is, that would be a lot of user errors.

 

[DustyDawg48]

I echo what looney asked...what exactly moved? I'm assuming slide movement from side-to-side but seriously??? 10 microns? Isn't that smaller that the width of a human hair or something? Obvious HK fanboys in that mix of trooper recruits somewhere!

 

[Kutnupe14]

I wonder how much Glock paid to "find" this issue, lol

 

[lovemachine]

10 microns = .01mm

 

[DustyDawg48]

I wonder how much Glock paid to "find" this issue, lol

I don't think it was the Austrians... I think it was the Germans since SIG initially lost the contract to S&W! Wait until Hitler finds out!

 

[throttletony]

I echo what looney asked...what exactly moved? I'm assuming slide movement from side-to-side but seriously??? 10 microns? Isn't that smaller that the width of a human hair or something? Obvious HK fanboys in that mix of trooper recruits somewhere!

Ditto,I'm still unclear what the exact concern is...

 

[BiscuitNaBasket]

Texas state police suspend use of Smith & Wesson M&P pistols after "concerns".

Don't know if this is ammo related or gun related. I guess we shall see.

DPS Suspends Use of New Handgun Over "Concerns" | The Texas Tribune

Something moved... ok... what moved? Not enough information in this article to even say that it was useful in identifying the problem.

 

[Clay]

"The agency decided to halt the use of the new handguns after a couple of the weapons experienced slight movement of less than 10 microns after repeated firing of about 3,000 rounds, Vinger said."

So enlighten me, what moved?

"it" moved........ happens every time I shoot my M&P

 

[Alamo]

A lot of scuttlebutt on the Texas boards about this too, and basically it appears no one outside the DPS recruit academy actually knows what the actual problems are. Various people have emails from buddies in the DPS etc etc, and the newspaper articles (likely written by people who have no clue about guns in general) are not terribly specific either.

The "movement" problem appears to refer to movement of the sights after firing, but 10 microns is pretty small. I suspect someone got their units of measurement screwed up. Or maybe they have some really sharp-eyed recruits.

There were also apparently some kind of malfunctions or stoppages early in the handgun training segment, and rather than spend training trying to sort whether it was gun, ammo, student, or instructor, they just immediately switched back to the Sigs and marched on with training.

 

[357 Terms]

Sounds like the "bean counters" discovered how much it was going to cost to replace holsters, mag holders, and other items.
Decided it was more cost effective to keep what they had.

 

[tbhausen]

From later in the article: "There were also bullet 'feeding and ejection' issues."