Texas DPS Suspends M&P Use

[Giddaltti]

Just when I'm getting ready to get one in .40. This has been pointed out and not happy with what I'm finding out.

 

[DustyDawg48]

From later in the article: "There were also bullet 'feeding and ejection' issues."

it is funny how those 2 terms or problems were buried in the article somewhere...but I'd like to know more. I've got nearly 3k through my M&P9, 1100 rounds of them in 2 days without cleaning, without any function issues.... Inquiring minds want to know more!

 

[chezuki]

Just when I'm getting ready to get one in .40. This has been pointed out and not happy with what I'm finding out.

What exactly are you "finding out"?

 

[lovemachine]

What exactly are you "finding out"?

That M&P's suck.

 

[PRasko]

I sent mine back for lack of reset/sear flutter and when they fixed it, they replaced my barrel.

Groups got significantly tighter after that.

 

[Giddaltti]

What exactly are you "finding out"?

Reading from the S&W Forum the Shield .40 is reporting issues. Feeding issues, ejector, mag falling out, mag release loose causing the mags to fall out. I've been told to go with a 9mm but I really like .40. I'm still giving it a try.

 

[ModernGunner]

LOL, 'movement' of 0.0003937007874".

Learn to shoot better.

 

[Light]

Sounds like some politician took a bride from another manufacturer.

I wonder what she looked like.

 

[XDS45]

Reading from the S&W Forum the Shield .40 is reporting issues. Feeding issues, ejector, mag falling out, mag release loose causing the mags to fall out. I've been told to go with a 9mm but I really like .40. I'm still giving it a try.

I had the Shield 9mm and .40 and both had problems. I sold them and got a Ruger SR45. I'd avoid the M&Ps and get a Ruger SR9C or SR40

 

[Hohn]

Nothing in that article makes sense.

I've got no particular love for M&Ps other than they look incredibly cool. But this article doesn't jive. It's possible that there was a quality spill by M&P and that the DPS got a bad batch of parts, but I highly doubt that a "defect" of a measly 10 microns is highly unlikely to cause a function problem.

 

[sig1473]

I don't think it was the Austrians... I think it was the Germans since SIG initially lost the contract to S&W! Wait until Hitler finds out!

Well, since Hitler was Austrian and Sig is a Swiss Company(teamed w/Sauer&Sohn-German Company to distribute firearms) I don't know what you are really going for. But hey, who is keeping track?

 

[NHT3]

Nothing in that article makes sense.

I've got no particular love for M&Ps other than they look incredibly cool. But this article doesn't jive. It's possible that there was a quality spill by M&P and that the DPS got a bad batch of parts, but I highly doubt that a "defect" of a measly 10 microns is highly unlikely to cause a function problem.

I would imagine that most police agencies don't have the equipment to repeatedly measure a difference of 10 microns?? The whole thing sounds very vague and I would imagine that ammo would figure into any feeding issues. Sounds like some bean counter that has never fired a handgun making a big deal out of nothing to justify his job.

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[rbMPSH12]

It's unfortunate. M&Ps are great guns! I don't know what they're seeing, but MY M&P certainly does NOT move 10 microns. I know that for a FACT!

 

[DustyDawg48]

Well, since Hitler was Austrian and Sig is a Swiss Company(teamed w/Sauer&Sohn-German Company to distribute firearms) I don't know what you are really going for. But hey, who is keeping track?

I knew I'd finally get a SIG or HK shooter to get in here and chime in on something!

I'm sure I'll be flamed for saying this, but I'm going to say 'user error' has to factor in. The police officers of 30 years ago are gone and have been replaced by many people who aren't very knowledgeable about firearms. I've personally seen several officers that had to be taught how to load a magazine or that had yet to take a basic pistol course. When the word 'recruit' appeared in the article I think that did it for me. I've bought many 'used' police guns and there is more lint and holster wear than actual use on their weapons.

 

[cedartop]

I would imagine that most police agencies don't have the equipment to repeatedly measure a difference of 10 microns?? The whole thing sounds very vague and I would imagine that ammo would figure into any feeding issues. Sounds like some bean counter that has never fired a handgun making a big deal out of nothing to justify his job.

NRA Life Member-- NRA Basic pistol instructor
Certified Glock armorer—GSSF Member

1911, M&P & Ruger MK III Mechanic

That part is pretty funny. A micron is like a trillion dollars, most people have no comprehension of what it looks like. For the PD to measure that small of an amount they must have an aerospace lab helping them out.

 

[EricG]

My M&P moves ay more than 10 microns when I shoot it. Way, way!

 

[HoughMade]

Glock would find movement of 10 microns unacceptably tight to ensure reliable function.

 

[Disposable Heart]

Reading from the S&W Forum the Shield .40 is reporting issues. Feeding issues, ejector, mag falling out, mag release loose causing the mags to fall out. I've been told to go with a 9mm but I really like .40. I'm still giving it a try.

The Texas DPS isn't using Shields, but the full size models.

 

[drillsgt]

Let's pull a gun because of problems trainees are having, that's smart. Like others have said definitely something going on here.

 

[Disposable Heart]

After reading up on things, Texas had no issues with Sigs in .357 Sigs outside of small parts breakage (fixable) and training cost (.357 Sig ain't cheap even when bought in bulk). No performance issues, nothing. I guess they wanted to save some bucks going to 9mm, but are crying about low bid, inexpensive pistols (considering they are coming from Sigs...)?