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  • ATF Consumer

    Shooter
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    I really like the way this guy thinks...:yesway:

    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Broken Logic of Statism[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]by Don Cooper[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]
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    It’s still amazes me how many people in America think, believe rather, that the federal government not only has the legal and moral authority to dictate, mandate, control certain aspects of our lives but also that they are in fact capable of doing it better than anyone else. Better than a private sector counterpart and better than the individual.
    With all the talk recently about the (in)effectiveness of the TSA, I’ve engaged in discussions about the issue of the government trying, unsuccessfully to provide adequate airport security for a country of 300 million and some 28 thousands daily flights. My proposal is always the same: each airline should be responsible for their own security and then individuals can choose to pay higher fares to fly with airlines with better security measures or choose to pay lower fairs and fly with airlines with fewer security measures. The response I get to this proposal is always the same: I don’t know about that.
    It seems to be embedded in people’s psyche, almost genetically, that the federal government is in fact the only entity in our country that can and should do certain things for us and the broken logic associated with this thinking boggles my mind.
    First of all, what incentive does any TSA worker have to ensure our safety? If you work for the federal government you have a job for life and beyond just as long as you don’t quit because you will never get fired, especially if you are a minority working for the TSA. The TSA according, to John F. Kennedy’s executive order 10925, is legally obligated to work to affirmatively retain minorities not fire them.
    This, of course, is not the case if airlines were responsible for their own security. People get fired from private companies all the time and if those responsible were found to be negligent in their work and costing the company economic losses then they would be fired and someone else brought on to replace them.
    Furthermore any problems with flights for airline X would be public knowledge and passengers could simply choose to fly with another carrier whereas the federal government takes great pains to hide the myriad of problems associated with federal agencies in an effort to make people think they are safe. Of course even when problems are identified, public agencies like the TSA don’t accept any responsibility and simply get congress to force Americans to give them more money since more money always solves the problem. Meanwhile, passengers have no choice in the matter. They must rely on the TSA for ensuring flight security even though they have no incentive to do so. That should scare the **** out of anyone.
    It only makes sense and any successful business person would agree: if you have one large group of people, like the TSA, monotonously working day after day, and with no economic incentive to do so, to screen hundreds of thousands of people they are going to get bored, distracted and be unmotivated. Whereas if each airline were doing their own security then you would have a small group of specially trained individuals hired specifically by the airline solely for this purpose, screening only those passengers flying with that airline and with a valid economic incentive to do a good job.
    Even more ridiculous is the attitude that somehow the federal government knows best; that they should be our moral compass. The argument is that individuals in our society are too irresponsible and too stupid to know what’s good for them and private firms are too greedy so the people in the government will regulate society to ensure the “right” decisions are made for our own good. The broken logic here is painful: the people in our government come from that same social pool of individuals and business owners that they contend are irresponsible and greedy! What happens when they are elected or appointed to office? Are they suddenly endowed with some sort of immaculate wisdom that emanates from Washington? Are they somehow no longer part of the irresponsible and greedy class but rather part of the enlightened class?
    Truthfully, any knowledge that the federal or any government has is already known in the private sector before the politicians even know it exists. We dummies know it way before the enlightened ones do. They get the information from the private sector and then re-disseminate it to us and then take credit for it.
    In the case of the TSA, my wife and her aunt and I are just three people and the weekend after Christmas we all traveled by plane. In just our small little group at least two TSA security breaches were committed: my wife and her aunt got their boarding passes mixed up and the TSA screener didn’t catch it. My wife had her aunt’s and her aunt had hers and they passed through security no problem. Secondly, when I departed from the Atlanta airport no one said a thing about my half full tube of toothpaste in my backpack. When I departed from the Tampa airport it was confiscated and I was told it was a security violation. That’s just how easy it is to evade TSA security procedures and just what a total waste of our tax money it is. So if three random people that I know of were not identified as being in breach of their security measures then can you imagine how many more there are every single day?
    These sorts of agencies and illogical laws are pervasive throughout our society thanks to local, state and federal governments. They violate all our human rights and put us all at a lower standard of living, or utility, then we would otherwise be.
    Remember a right is something that one gets to do without anyone else’s permission, as long as they don’t impose a cost on others in the process, so truthfully, there need be only one single law in our society: all humans have the right to live their lives as they see fit in pursuit of their own self-interests, or utility, as long as they don’t impose any sort of social, economic or physical cost on anyone else pursuing the same ends. And we need a moral court system to arbitrate those cases that violate that law. That’s it, that’s all we need. What difference does it make why you caused a car accident? You could have been tired, drinking, texting, distracted by any number of a hundred things. All that matters is that you imposed a cost on others; you’ve incurred a debt to society and now you have to pay it. You have to put the people you harmed back on the same level of social or economic or physical standing or utility that they were at before the accident.
    What cost is imposed on society when someone speeds, or successfully drives after drinking, doesn’t come to a full stop at a stop sign or goes through a red light or any of the other thousands of victimless crimes that have no criminal intent associated with them? None, but the individual is forced to pay a debt to society that he has not incurred and that violates our human rights.
     

    wtfd661

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    Sorry ATF most of the times I agree with your post but this one is obviously written by someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

    Seems to me that we tried the private security course prior to 9/11 and it didn't work. And as far as the fly the cheaper security airlines option, I don't think the innocent victims in the Twin Towers or the Pentagon would have cared if it was a cheaper airline or one that has the more expensive private security force.

    I know that its fun to "bash" TSA, and they do have their issues but 'painting" the majority of them as people who don't care is a little wrong. Most of them signed up for the same reasons Police Officer, Firefighters, EMTS, and other public service people do. They wanted to make a difference and thought it was the best way that they could. Yes there are a lot of people who need to be looking at new jobs, but those are usually the ones that are in charge, the rank and file typically tend to be caring conscientious people.
     

    ATF Consumer

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    Sorry ATF most of the times I agree with your post but this one is obviously written by someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

    Seems to me that we tried the private security course prior to 9/11 and it didn't work. And as far as the fly the cheaper security airlines option, I don't think the innocent victims in the Twin Towers or the Pentagon would have cared if it was a cheaper airline or one that has the more expensive private security force.

    I know that its fun to "bash" TSA, and they do have their issues but 'painting" the majority of them as people who don't care is a little wrong. Most of them signed up for the same reasons Police Officer, Firefighters, EMTS, and other public service people do. They wanted to make a difference and thought it was the best way that they could. Yes there are a lot of people who need to be looking at new jobs, but those are usually the ones that are in charge, the rank and file typically tend to be caring conscientious people.

    Had government workers been there prior to 9/11, it would have been the same story, as before 9/11 we weren't looking for terrorism as we are today. The government is only reactionary to this form of attack. Once there is another outlet where terrorism shows its ugly head, just watch how the government will involve itself in it that as well. You don't think private business can handle their own security? Only the government can provide "quality" personnel?

    As an example of failed security from the government...what about that suicide bomber that infiltrated himself into one of our bases and wasn't even patted down or anything. That is complacency 101. Had that been controlled by a private company where the security had incentives for catching things like that, the headlines may have read very differently.
     

    gund

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    I agree ATF Consumer.

    9/11 wouldn't have been prevented either way because the people were not prepared.

    Before it, planes were hijacked to demand things from the government. To blow up a plane, terrorists would put bombs in check-in luggage.

    Nobody knew terrorists would hijack a plane and use it as a weapon. But now that people do, any hint of a possible hijacking is met with passengers overpowering the suspects. This has happened many times since. I would bet my entire fortune that we will never see another 9/11 type attack again. Not because there are federal marshalls, not because of tighter screening before boarding, but because humans don't want to die.

    The risks are disproportionate to the money spent. We are wasting too much money to save too little lives. Just using that money to open more medical schools would save more lives.

    Individual airline pre-board security would do a lot to clean up the mess with have here. Of course, liability and insurance will have to be worked out. The government is immune to most lawsuits resulting from deaths from hijacked planes.
     

    Josed

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    The Goverment can't and won't stop another 9/11. The same tipe of people that where there screnning on 9/11 are still there today. I will admit that some of them are there to serve the flying public. The vast majority are there for the paycheck/power. Most barely have a high school education, and some not much more than GED. Some are career bureaucrats that are more intrested in advancement, than anything else. Not to mention that the Goverment will kneejerk react to an incident to increase their hold on power, and make the masses depend on them. So don't expect real solutions from the TSA/DHS. In fact they where instrumental on my early retierment from a 30 year career from flying.
    There is a reason as to why flight crews call the TSA-Too Stupid for Arbys, or the Thousands Standing Around.
    If I can drive there, I will not fly, and is not because of mechanical/weather concerns.:xmad:
     
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