The HT thinks that LTCH holders are paranoid racists

[Mr. Habib]

From the HT opinion page today.

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Our opinion
Handgun data is very revealing

December 1, 2009

One e-mailer suggested a headline for our next gun story: “Citizenry up in arms about proposed data-base.” Indeed, many commenters on HeraldTimesOnline.com were concerned that the information the H-T was making public would encourage break-ins at gun owners’ residences.
Data specific enough to cause that was not included in our report and was never intended to be. The point of Michael Malik’s two-day series and accompanying information on HTO was to shed light on the number of personal protection handgun permits in our area and to see whether they were becoming more or less common. Our data revealed a few facts.
Rural counties have a far higher percentage of residents with personal protection handgun permits than do more urban counties. That may not surprise some people, but it did catch our eye that the trend even held true for Marion and Lake counties, two counties with the most total permits issued and significant crime. Only 1 in 22 people in those counties have personal protection permits, compared to about 1 in 12 in Lawrence, Owen, Morgan and Greene, and 1 in 8.5 in Brown.
Permits spiked in the months around the election of Barack Obama as president, prompting gun dealers to refer to “the Obama factor.” This shows a troubling distrust — paranoia? — about the new administration. Our research doesn’t say whether it’s just political or political and racial, but we have our suspicions.
Finally, experts interviewed were consistent in stating that those who have handguns need to undergo training; should keep them locked up at home; and should not use firearms to try to defuse a dangerous situation but only for purposes of self-defense. Saturday’s arrest of a local man for criminal recklessness after he fired a gun at a bandit retreating from a Citgo — the shooter was a customer — further highlights the need for such advisories.


Copyright: HeraldTimesOnline.com 2009

 

[UltraRick]

The HT is the most left leaning paper I have ever read, this opinion does not surprise me.

 

[schafe]

Ah, Yes, The H.T. that bastion of literary integrity! (sarcasm intended) I couldn't stop myself, and have responded online already.

 

[Pami]

From the HT opinion page today.

​

Our opinion
Handgun data is very revealing

December 1, 2009

One e-mailer suggested a headline for our next gun story: “Citizenry up in arms about proposed data-base.” Indeed, many commenters on HeraldTimesOnline.com were concerned that the information the H-T was making public would encourage break-ins at gun owners’ residences.
Data specific enough to cause that was not included in our report and was never intended to be. The point of Michael Malik’s two-day series and accompanying information on HTO was to shed light on the number of personal protection handgun permits in our area and to see whether they were becoming more or less common. Our data revealed a few facts.
Rural counties have a far higher percentage of residents with personal protection handgun permits than do more urban counties. That may not surprise some people, but it did catch our eye that the trend even held true for Marion and Lake counties, two counties with the most total permits issued and significant crime. Only 1 in 22 people in those counties have personal protection permits, compared to about 1 in 12 in Lawrence, Owen, Morgan and Greene, and 1 in 8.5 in Brown.
Permits spiked in the months around the election of Barack Obama as president, prompting gun dealers to refer to “the Obama factor.” This shows a troubling distrust — paranoia? — about the new administration. Our research doesn’t say whether it’s just political or political and racial, but we have our suspicions.
Finally, experts interviewed were consistent in stating that those who have handguns need to undergo training; should keep them locked up at home; and should not use firearms to try to defuse a dangerous situation but only for purposes of self-defense. Saturday’s arrest of a local man for criminal recklessness after he fired a gun at a bandit retreating from a Citgo — the shooter was a customer — further highlights the need for such advisories.


Copyright: HeraldTimesOnline.com 2009

I like the highlighted statement above. A newspaper that is locally known for being anti-gun recognizes that counties with a higher percentage of licensed gun owners actually have a lower crime rate. Doesn't that say something?

 

[WabashMX5]

I like the highlighted statement above. A newspaper that is locally known for being anti-gun recognizes that counties with a higher percentage of licensed gun owners actually have a lower crime rate. Doesn't that say something?

Nicely stated! +1

 

[lovemywoods]

Only 1 in 22 people in those counties have personal protection permits, compared to about 1 in 12 in Lawrence, Owen, Morgan and Greene, and 1 in 8.5 in Brown.

Doing my part! Every member of my household has their lifetime LTCH!

 

[XMil]

I like the highlighted statement above. A newspaper that is locally known for being anti-gun recognizes that counties with a higher percentage of licensed gun owners actually have a lower crime rate. Doesn't that say something?

But they managed to say it in a way that made it seem other wise.

Marion and Lake counties, two counties with the most total permits issued and significant crime.

 

[SirRealism]

From the HT opinion page today.

​

Our opinion
Handgun data is very revealing

December 1, 2009

One e-mailer suggested a headline for our next gun story: “Citizenry up in arms about proposed data-base.” Indeed, many commenters on HeraldTimesOnline.com were concerned that the information the H-T was making public would encourage break-ins at gun owners’ residences.
Data specific enough to cause that was not included in our report and was never intended to be. The point of Michael Malik’s two-day series and accompanying information on HTO was to shed light on the number of personal protection handgun permits in our area and to see whether they were becoming more or less common. Our data revealed a few facts.
Rural counties have a far higher percentage of residents with personal protection handgun permits than do more urban counties. That may not surprise some people, but it did catch our eye that the trend even held true for Marion and Lake counties, two counties with the most total permits issued and significant crime. Only 1 in 22 people in those counties have personal protection permits, compared to about 1 in 12 in Lawrence, Owen, Morgan and Greene, and 1 in 8.5 in Brown.
Permits spiked in the months around the election of Barack Obama as president, prompting gun dealers to refer to “the Obama factor.” This shows a troubling distrust — paranoia? — about the new administration. Our research doesn’t say whether it’s just political or political and racial, but we have our suspicions.
Finally, experts interviewed were consistent in stating that those who have handguns need to undergo training; should keep them locked up at home; and should not use firearms to try to defuse a dangerous situation but only for purposes of self-defense. Saturday’s arrest of a local man for criminal recklessness after he fired a gun at a bandit retreating from a Citgo — the shooter was a customer — further highlights the need for such advisories.


Copyright: HeraldTimesOnline.com 2009

Wow. That's exactly what I read newspapers for... unfounded allusions. No, wait, I don't read newspapers.

 

[Shadowbeach]

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[Mr. Habib]

From the HT opinion page today.

​

Our opinion
Handgun data is very revealing

December 1, 2009

One e-mailer suggested a headline for our next gun story: “Citizenry up in arms about proposed data-base.” Indeed, many commenters on HeraldTimesOnline.com were concerned that the information the H-T was making public would encourage break-ins at gun owners’ residences.
Data specific enough to cause that was not included in our report and was never intended to be. The point of Michael Malik’s two-day series and accompanying information on HTO was to shed light on the number of personal protection handgun permits in our area and to see whether they were becoming more or less common. Our data revealed a few facts.
Rural counties have a far higher percentage of residents with personal protection handgun permits than do more urban counties. That may not surprise some people, but it did catch our eye that the trend even held true for Marion and Lake counties, two counties with the most total permits issued and significant crime. Only 1 in 22 people in those counties have personal protection permits, compared to about 1 in 12 in Lawrence, Owen, Morgan and Greene, and 1 in 8.5 in Brown.
Permits spiked in the months around the election of Barack Obama as president, prompting gun dealers to refer to “the Obama factor.” This shows a troubling distrust — paranoia? — about the new administration. Our research doesn’t say whether it’s just political or political and racial, but we have our suspicions.
Finally, experts interviewed were consistent in stating that those who have handguns need to undergo training; should keep them locked up at home; and should not use firearms to try to defuse a dangerous situation but only for purposes of self-defense. Saturday’s arrest of a local man for criminal recklessness after he fired a gun at a bandit retreating from a Citgo — the shooter was a customer — further highlights the need for such advisories.
Copyright: HeraldTimesOnline.com 2009

Since when is distrust of our Federal Government troubling, paranoid, or racist, especially when the data show that the trend that the reporter tries to use to prove the racist paranoia began well before the election?

Notice that they never state any valid credentials for the experts they quote.

They conveniently fail to mention that he was released and NO charges were filed.

The HT has never been known to let facts get in the way of a good story.

 

[Pami]

But they managed to say it in a way that made it seem other wise.

[/b]

Yeah, I had that thought, too, but it was something more along the lines of "I wonder if they realize it."

 

[mettle]

From the HT opinion page today.

​

Our opinion
Handgun data is very revealing

December 1, 2009

One e-mailer suggested a headline for our next gun story: “Citizenry up in arms about proposed data-base.” Indeed, many commenters on HeraldTimesOnline.com were concerned that the information the H-T was making public would encourage break-ins at gun owners’ residences.
Data specific enough to cause that was not included in our report and was never intended to be. The point of Michael Malik’s two-day series and accompanying information on HTO was to shed light on the number of personal protection handgun permits in our area and to see whether they were becoming more or less common. Our data revealed a few facts.
Rural counties have a far higher percentage of residents with personal protection handgun permits than do more urban counties. That may not surprise some people, but it did catch our eye that the trend even held true for Marion and Lake counties, two counties with the most total permits issued and significant crime. Only 1 in 22 people in those counties have personal protection permits, compared to about 1 in 12 in Lawrence, Owen, Morgan and Greene, and 1 in 8.5 in Brown.
Permits spiked in the months around the election of Barack Obama as president, prompting gun dealers to refer to “the Obama factor.” This shows a troubling distrust — paranoia? — about the new administration. Our research doesn’t say whether it’s just political or political and racial, but we have our suspicions.
Finally, experts interviewed were consistent in stating that those who have handguns need to undergo training; should keep them locked up at home; and should not use firearms to try to defuse a dangerous situation but only for purposes of self-defense. Saturday’s arrest of a local man for criminal recklessness after he fired a gun at a bandit retreating from a Citgo — the shooter was a customer — further highlights the need for such advisories.


Copyright: HeraldTimesOnline.com 2009

While the training may be true; the last part of the statement is just like the article, put forth by a man who needs to grow up and be a man. I'm just about certain these days that if a man does not like guns, that he was raised in a suburb that had no outlet to anything other than the mall, Starbucks and the local library; to me, this creates boys and girls who are fairies and feminists as they had nothing better to do than listen to their socialist teachers remarks--- and believe every word of it.

Some people need to get their head out of the sand and LIVE! This Michael Malik is no exception to my theory---purely gay and a city dweller who is willing to write anything to make a paycheck, and has no roots in reality or society---believes nothing.

 

[singlestacksig]

some data is missing, what % of the population in those counties are eligible for a LTCH?

 

[NateIU10]

Yes, we're all racists. Those Constitutional rights are meaningless.

I'm just about certain these days that if a man does not like guns, that he was raised in a suburb that had no outlet to anything other than the mall, Starbucks and the local library; to me, this creates boys and girls who are fairies and feminists as they had nothing better to do than listen to their socialist teachers remarks--- and believe every word of it.

I have to disagree with you on that one. I know people who grew up in rural Indiana who are anti-gun, and people, like myself, who are from white, upper-middle class suburbs who are pro-gun (From Maryland, right on the DC border, to boot.)

 

[bartonmd]

some data is missing, what % of the population in those counties are eligible for a LTCH?

"Data?!?! DATA?!?! This is a Bloomington newspaper! We don't let data get in the way of... much of anything we want to do or say!"

Mike

 

[mettle]

Well, I didn't say 'we're all racists' ... and it's a theory like I said... the point is that this 'civilized America' has provided grounds for people like this fool michael whatever to thrive. Why do you say constitutional rights are meaningless? Why do you believe that? I mean, I didn't write that, so... do you believe that then?

Yes, we're all racists. Those Constitutional rights are meaningless.



I have to disagree with you on that one. I know people who grew up in rural Indiana who are anti-gun, and people, like myself, who are from white, upper-middle class suburbs who are pro-gun (From Maryland, right on the DC border, to boot.)

 

[Dr Falken]

One reason Marion and Lake Counties may have had a larger total LTCH issued is because there are more total people in those areas. And they are also more urban, hence more crime...I wonder what other demographics we could dig up on those counties in relationship to other counties in Indiana. I bet that that racial/ethnic make up would would also be very different from the rest of Indiana. That wouldn't be racist either. I would be interested in seeing what the typical LTCH holder is. I bet you if you google earth'd this, you'd see cities with high crime rates, low incomes, low LTCH, surrounded by suburbs with lower crime rates, higher incomes and higher LTCH. And in the country, well hell, it's just a part of life!

 

[IUGradStudent]

Mettle: I am sure the first part of his comment was directed at the HT article, not at you.

Dr. Falken: Yup.

 

[joslar15]

The H-T, aka Horrible-Terrible, aka Half-Truth, once again lives up to it's name! I am so glad to be a former resident of Bloomington!

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

For the sake of the HT - they obviously didn't hear me the first time I said this. I have nothing against President Obama because of the color of his skin. I have his deeds to go by. I have his associates to go by. I find nothing there that speaks well of his character.

And NONE of that is why I own, or carry, or believe in upholding the Constitution. It simply has nothing to do with it. The two are simply not connected.

The HT is simply delusional. That's why they drink the Obama kool-aid.

Now - do Obama's actions tick me off enough to get me more politically active? And do I want to send a bunch of Congress-critters, and other lower life forms to the Unemployment Line? Uhhh... yeah...