The Libertarian Party Race is Filling Up?

[IndyDave1776]

My information must be old then.

Another thing to consider is the relative efficiency in Trump's campaign versus Hillary's. While the spread isn't nearly as phenomenal as that between Trump and Jeb in the primary, assuming that the primary numbers are representative, Trump drew in a larger number of votes spending less than half the money per vote on advertising that Hillary spent, and that does not account for other savings like having much less overhead in internal campaign spending. In the same period of time, Hillary brought in over $60M, but if she holds to the pattern, she would need double that to maintain her 5/2 spending ratio with Trump.

 

[BugI02]

He's barely campaigning for himself, seemingly giving this to Clinton. He isn't saying "nice" things (anymore), but he's also not going after her in any substantive way.

Also, as a Libertarian, you should know and understand the "give Hillary your vote" line is illogical nonsense.

I'd say he's doing some hard-nosed bargaining from a position of strength with respect to getting the GOPe on board with his campaign

After all, if this ends in the train wreck #NeverRelevant wants us all to think it will, he just goes back to being a billionaire ... ahh, but whither the GOPe? Which one do you think will blink first - Trump Train or Gravy Train

 

[mrjarrell]

That article is an opinion piece which means it was written to persuade. The author switches between immigrants and illegal immigrants too much for me to accept his conclusion.

Libertarian candidate says Mexican immigrants more law-abiding than U.S. citizens | PolitiFact

 

[dusty88]

It's pretty simple to me. While Gary Johnson isn't the libertarian I would prefer, his election would actually rrepresent an increase in America's freedom, something that hasn't happened for decades if not 100 years.

Does it hurt that he doesn't hate Hillary the way I do? well yes, it does but that would be a completely irrational reason to turn my support to a guy whose entire power structure is based on outrage and whose statements are constantly in conflict with each other as well as in conflict with logic

Nothing good comes of a Trump or Clinton presidency; just more of the status quo and our march towards failure economically and as a nation. Gary Johnson can't save the economy either but any hope of a political revolution (rather than the usual outcome of nations) is a hope worth trying for.

 

[mrjarrell]

More republicans jumping ship to join the libertarians and support Johnson.

Gary Johnson Endorsed by Two More GOP State Reps - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Utah State Sen. Mark Madsen Switching Parties from Republican to Libertarian, Endorsing Gary Johnson for President - Hit & Run : Reason.com

 

[jamil]

More republicans jumping ship to join the libertarians and support Johnson.

Gary Johnson Endorsed by Two More GOP State Reps - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Utah State Sen. Mark Madsen Switching Parties from Republican to Libertarian, Endorsing Gary Johnson for President - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Yawn. Wake me up when your douche qualifies to be on the same debate stage as the other two douches.

 

[ATM]

Yawn. Wake me up when your douche qualifies to be on the same debate stage as the other two douches.

What does it take for a douche to qualify to be on this stage? Which douches decide the qualifying factors? Who elected those douches?

How long has it been since actual debates occurred on this stage?

 

[jamil]

What does it take for a douche to qualify to be on this stage?

It's my understanding that candidates must belong to one of the two "official" parties, or have 15% approval in whatever polls "they" say matter, where "they" is not us.

Which douches decide the qualifying factors?

Committees. Press. Elites. Does it matter?

Who elected those douches?

I don't really think elites get elected. They just kinda get power, and then tell everyone else what to do.

How long has it been since actual debates occurred on this stage?

What, you mean like national tournament rules debates? Never happens. What we call "debates" is mostly just Q&A, where the questions are loaded and the answers are contrived.

 

[ATM]

Ah, thanks.

Yawn. Don't bother waking me up even they let all the douches on stage.

 

[IndyDave1776]

It's pretty simple to me. While Gary Johnson isn't the libertarian I would prefer, his election would actually rrepresent an increase in America's freedom, something that hasn't happened for decades if not 100 years.

Does it hurt that he doesn't hate Hillary the way I do? well yes, it does but that would be a completely irrational reason to turn my support to a guy whose entire power structure is based on outrage and whose statements are constantly in conflict with each other as well as in conflict with logic

Nothing good comes of a Trump or Clinton presidency; just more of the status quo and our march towards failure economically and as a nation. Gary Johnson can't save the economy either but any hope of a political revolution (rather than the usual outcome of nations) is a hope worth trying for.

I am not sure I consider someone who believes that the force of government should be used to make me do business in ways that violate my personal convictions, religious or otherwise, represents any beacon of freedom. His ideas on open borders are a shutout with me as well.

 

[dusty88]

Yawn. Wake me up when your douche qualifies to be on the same debate stage as the other two douches.

I would think you would be concerned that you are paying for the power the other 2 parties have. Doesn't that thought "wake you up" at all?

I am not sure I consider someone who believes that the force of government should be used to make me do business in ways that violate my personal convictions, religious or otherwise, represents any beacon of freedom.

He's not "my" kind of complete libertarian. But yes, compared to where we have been going his election would take freedom in a positive direction. That's what I mean specifically, because otherwise it always goes the other way.
Ron Paul has done us all a service spending years trying to fully articulate the principles and outcomes of liberty. That sort of honest, thorough message falls largely on deaf ears. That doesn't mean I give up on the principles. But it does mean I'm going to look very positively on anyone who has a remote chance of improving our liberty in any way.
So while I wouldn't call him a "beacon" of freedom I'd say he's a step in the right direction. If you've been gaining 50# per year for your whole life, a plan that drops 10# is a darn good thing. Who knows, it might even produce such a positive result that the public would want to "shed more weight".

His ideas on open borders are a shutout with me as well.

He doesn't say "open" in terms of immigration and citizenship. He says make work visas easier and movement easier.
I have mixed feelings about that. One thing I do know is that it is a complete sham and waste of government money to try to prevent people from crossing the border while we are SPENDING government money to entice them across the border.
Get rid of the welfare state and end the drug war. Then tell me if we have a border problem and what we need to spend on it. The idea of walls and increasing enforcement right now is like continuing to chase our own tail.

 

[jamil]

I would think you would be concerned that you are paying for the power the other 2 parties have. Doesn't that thought "wake you up" at all?

Why would I not be then paying for the third? I have no faith that Johnson would cause a better outcome.

 

[Hiker1911]

The only interest I have in anything to do with Libertarians or that mindset, is what they can do to defeat Hillary Clinton in November. Anything else is political postering that will help Ms. Clinton get closer to the podium to be sworn in during the next Presidential inauguration.

 

[ATM]

The only interest I have in anything to do with Libertarians or that mindset, is what they can do to defeat Hillary Clinton in November. Anything else is political postering that will help Ms. Clinton get closer to the podium to be sworn in during the next Presidential inauguration.

So long as the ruling class can count on the prevalence of this myopic political focus among only two vast classes of polarized single-dimensional subjects, they need not worry that the concepts or practice of Liberty would ever again inflame the inhabitants of this land to declare, "enough!""

 

[Tombs]

So long as the ruling class can count on the prevalence of this myopic political focus among only two vast classes of polarized single-dimensional subjects, they need not worry that the concepts or practice of Liberty would ever again inflame the inhabitants of this land to declare, "enough!""

And the start of the road to correct the problem is preferential voting.

But those 2 words scare the two party system more than any other words in the English language.

 

[jamil]

And the start of the road to correct the problem is preferential voting.

But those 2 words scare the two party system more than any other words in the English language.

 

[dusty88]

Why would I not be then paying for the third? I have no faith that Johnson would cause a better outcome.

Taxpayers did not fund the libertarian primary. Taxpayers do fund the Republican and Democrat primaries.
The 2-party system has also written itself a myriad of advantages from ballot access to power in the legislature.

 

[jamil]

Taxpayers did not fund the libertarian primary. Taxpayers do fund the Republican and Democrat primaries.
The 2-party system has also written itself a myriad of advantages from ballot access to power in the legislature.

You haven't convinced me that this would be a better outcome? If the Libertarian Party were in charge, what built in advantages would they write for themselves?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Gary Johnson: I?d Consider Pardoning Snowden, Manning - Vocativ

 

[jamil]

Gary Johnson: 'Religious freedom, as a category' is 'a black hole' | Washington Examiner