The trouble with the Constitution is..........

[flightsimmer]

There is no severe penalty for violating it, like hanging or maybe a fireing squad.
Something that would make a person or group think long and hard before he tried to change or violate it.

10mm, when you care enough to send the very best.

 

[ViperJock]

Technically, wouldn't violating it be treason? Once again a set of laws or penalties conveniently ignored. Just need to enforece the laws that are there, rather than make new ones.

 

[mrjarrell]

Lots of folks have mentioned the lack of a penalty clause in the Constitution. I wish there were one, it would certainly make for a better run government that had a razor sharp focus on preserving liberty and rights. Maybe we can amend it someday.

 

[ViperJock]

Well, the problem with all this is that the courts ultimately have the last word. Who is a judge? a former lawyer. Who adresses the judge? a lawyer. Who makes up the majority of congress? Lawyers. Who is gonna get away with breaking the law? A former VP, ambulance chasing lawyer for one. Any of their buddies for two.

 

[E5RANGER375]

there is a penalty for it. see the declaration of independence. we just cant talk about it here.

when it has become so common as we see today for politicians to have a BLATENT disregard for our rules, natural rights, and laws as stated and defined in the constitution then YES I believe it is TREASON and not just a mistake or coincidence. if people (even good people) know that a certain ATM gives them an extra $20 each time they use it and there is no penalty assessed, then dont you think they will return and keep using that machine? YES!!! of coarse there will be some very honest and good people who will raise a flag, but when the majority of the people are enjoying the free money, those whistle blowers are called names and ridiculed for doing the right thing. over 200 years ago there was a group of whistle blowers who laid their fortunes, their names, and their lives on the line to do what was unpopular but right, and blow a whistle, ring a bell, beat a drum, fire a musket, wield a sword, gather intelligence, spread the word. Those brave men were our founding fathers and framers. They stood up and defeated the most powerful military and king the world had ever seen up to that time and they ENTRUSTED US with a Republic that was bought and paid for with the blood of Patriots. a new concept of govt, an experiment if you will that the world had never seen before. It recognized the natural rights of man, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness (to name a few), and prevented any one person or group of persons from having the power to deny those rights to the people anymore. Sadly generations of Americans have failed to preserve that republic and follow the mandate that we know as the constitution and now that very republic is in danger of being destroyed forever. congress is directly responsible for this and is doing nothing to solve the problem, but instead taking more and more of our freedoms and rights away daily right in the open, and people do NOTHING. they kill us, they confiscate our lively hoods, they over tax and unfairly tax us, they send our army to fight wars for profit and our brave men and women to their deaths, and people do NOTHING! They allow our country to be overrun by illegal aliens etc, and people do NOTHING! nothing except continue to give the same traitors a job election after election. and the patriots who try to do something, to sound the alarm bells to blow the whistle are ridiculed, laughed at, called names like tin foiler, extremist, anti-govt, anti-police, anarchist, REBEL etc. the same as the Patriots of the Revolution were.

America is at the final crossroads, the last gas station before heading into the desert of unthinkable death. will WE THE PEOPLE not finally stand up and do something, or will we allow this sacred treasure, our republic to die and just be something that was "once upon a time"? so if you truly want to do something that WILL make a change for the better, then stand up and vote for a third party constitutional candidate the next election, and the next election, and the next election, till we almost completely replace all the traitors who are in their now and make them and their cause to overthrow the republic, OUR REPUBLIC, dead in its tracks. we can do it! TOGETHER! tell your friends, family, to join you in saving our republic. it truly is that serious! If you truly are proud to be an American they now is your time to prove it. if you always wished you had been able to serve your country in some way, but never could get into the military or public service, now is your chance and your last chance, to be a true Patriot. STAND UP!!! do not vote for the same ole republican or democrat, or independent, just because you think they are the only ones who can beat the worse choice. you are losing before you even start by doing that! Stand up America!

 

[PatriotPride]

there is a penalty for it. see the declaration of independence. we just cant talk about it here.

when it has become so common as we see today for politicians to have a BLATENT disregard for our rules, natural rights, and laws as stated and defined in the constitution then YES I believe it is TREASON and not just a mistake or coincidence. if people (even good people) know that a certain ATM gives them an extra $20 each time they use it and there is no penalty assessed, then dont you think they will return and keep using that machine? YES!!! of coarse there will be some very honest and good people who will raise a flag, but when the majority of the people are enjoying the free money, those whistle blowers are called names and ridiculed for doing the right thing. over 200 years ago there was a group of whistle blowers who laid their fortunes, their names, and their lives on the line to do what was unpopular but right, and blow a whistle, ring a bell, beat a drum, fire a musket, wield a sword, gather intelligence, spread the word. Those brave men were our founding fathers and framers. They stood up and defeated the most powerful military and king the world had ever seen up to that time and they ENTRUSTED US with a Republic that was bought and paid for with the blood of Patriots. a new concept of govt, an experiment if you will that the world had never seen before. It recognized the natural rights of man, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness (to name a few), and prevented any one person or group of persons from having the power to deny those rights to the people anymore. Sadly generations of Americans have failed to preserve that republic and follow the mandate that we know as the constitution and now that very republic is in danger of being destroyed forever. congress is directly responsible for this and is doing nothing to solve the problem, but instead taking more and more of our freedoms and rights away daily right in the open, and people do NOTHING. they kill us, they confiscate our lively hoods, they over tax and unfairly tax us, they send our army to fight wars for profit and our brave men and women to their deaths, and people do NOTHING! They allow our country to be overrun by illegal aliens etc, and people do NOTHING! nothing except continue to give the same traitors a job election after election. and the patriots who try to do something, to sound the alarm bells to blow the whistle are ridiculed, laughed at, called names like tin foiler, extremist, anti-govt, anti-police, anarchist, REBEL etc. the same as the Patriots of the Revolution were.

America is at the final crossroads, the last gas station before heading into the desert of unthinkable death. will WE THE PEOPLE not finally stand up and do something, or will we allow this sacred treasure, our republic to die and just be something that was "once upon a time"? so if you truly want to do something that WILL make a change for the better, then stand up and vote for a third party constitutional candidate the next election, and the next election, and the next election, till we almost completely replace all the traitors who are in their now and make them and their cause to overthrow the republic, OUR REPUBLIC, dead in its tracks. we can do it! TOGETHER! tell your friends, family, to join you in saving our republic. it truly is that serious! If you truly are proud to be an American they now is your time to prove it. if you always wished you had been able to serve your country in some way, but never could get into the military or public service, now is your chance and your last chance, to be a true Patriot. STAND UP!!! do not vote for the same ole republican or democrat, or independent, just because you think they are the only ones who can beat the worse choice. you are losing before you even start by doing that! Stand up America!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[rambone]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

 

[badwolf.usmc]

That's the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

Yea, i hate how they keep changing the meaning of the Constitution, like when they added the Bill of Rights, or abolished slavery or limited the president to two terms. The Constitution is suppose to the supreme law of the land, not a suicide pact, and as such should be flexible enough to be changed as needed.

 

[Kase]

That's the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

Yea, i hate how they keep changing the meaning of the Constitution, like when they added the Bill of Rights, or abolished slavery or limited the president to two terms. The Constitution is suppose to the supreme law of the land, not a suicide pact, and as such should be flexible enough to be changed as needed.

Ranger was refering to to Declaration of Independence as the punishment to violating the Constitution. Thats why Rambone put it up here

 

[E5RANGER375]

Ranger was refering to to Declaration of Independence as the punishment to violating the Constitution. Thats why Rambone put it up here

exactly!! rep when i recharge.

the declaration of independence is JUST as important as the constitution. OUR RIGHTS are NATURAL RIGHTS, we were born with them. even if a govt passed a law tomorrow that said its citizens rights were all revoked. its not legal. we have natural rights and have a means to protect them, its called, THE SECOND AMENDMENT!!!! its not about hunting or target shooting, it is about being able to defend your natural rights, and among those is your LIFE! thats why we are justified in using deadly force in self defense. the founding documents go hand in hand with each other and only state the obvious, and natural. thats why we have a republic and NOT a democracy here in America. it makes no difference what the majority want. The natural rights shall NOT be violated and when they are ...... (rules)

 

[gunowner930]

That's the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

Yea, i hate how they keep changing the meaning of the Constitution, like when they added the Bill of Rights, or abolished slavery or limited the president to two terms. The Constitution is suppose to the supreme law of the land, not a suicide pact, and as such should be flexible enough to be changed as needed.

Yes the Constitution can be legally modified through the Amendment Process. Everybody is complaining about lawyers and judges arguing the living and breathing document theory that allows them to "re-interpret" the wording of the Constitution whenever they see fit. We have at least one clown on the Supreme Court (Sotomayor) that argued that the 2nd Amendment didn't apply to states. Well, if the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply states, then the Bill of Rights doesn't apply anywhere outside of Washington D.C.

 

[flightsimmer]

That's the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

Yea, i hate how they keep changing the meaning of the Constitution, like when they added the Bill of Rights, or abolished slavery or limited the president to two terms. The Constitution is suppose to the supreme law of the land, not a suicide pact, and as such should be flexible enough to be changed as needed.

The founders did make provisions for changing the Constitution lawfully, which, has been done in the past.
It's the ignoring the Constitution that gets me mad.

 

[badwolf.usmc]

Kase: I don't like to make assumptions.

gunowner930: Isn't interpreting the Constitution the job of the Supreme Court? So all the other justices are "correct" since they follow your view? The Constitution was intended to be re-interpreted and adjusted as needed.


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flightsimmer: So if someone ignores the Constitution they deserve to be killed? Your words, not mine.

 

[jeremy]

The problem is that everyone forgets it is part II...

 

[jsharmon7]

I like it just how it is. I'm sure it was intended that way for a reason. We want a penalty clause, somebody else wants the 2nd Amendment limited because the Founders couldn't have predicted what kinds of weapons we'd have available today. I say just leave it alone.

 

[gunowner930]

Kase: I don't like to make assumptions.

gunowner930: Isn't interpreting the Constitution the job of the Supreme Court? So all the other justices are "correct" since they follow your view? The Constitution was intended to be re-interpreted and adjusted as needed.

Yes, adjusted only through the Amendment Process. The Supreme Court does not "interpret" the Constitution, they interpret whether legislation is Constitutional. For example in McDonald vs. Chicago, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that Chicago's handgun ban was unconstitutional. Precedent is now established. The Constitution means what it says, there should be no "interpretation" of that meaning. If you don't like what it says then amend it. Sotomayor's opinion on the 2nd Amendment is an example of judicial activism. No sane person would legitimately believe that the Bill of Rights were not originally intended to apply to states. She was using this asinine argument to argue against the individual right to bear arms after the Heller decision in 2008, which held that DC's gun ban was in conflict with the Constitution. Basically, since the Heller decision was applied to Washington DC, she was arguing that the 2nd Amendment didn't apply to states.

Without the Amendment Process, the constitution was not intended to be re-interpred and adjusted as needed. If that were the case then there is no rule of law.

 

[E5RANGER375]

Kase: I don't like to make assumptions.

gunowner930: Isn't interpreting the Constitution the job of the Supreme Court? So all the other justices are "correct" since they follow your view? The Constitution was intended to be re-interpreted and adjusted as needed.


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flightsimmer: So if someone ignores the Constitution they deserve to be killed? Your words, not mine.

they're....... making a list, they're checking it twice, they're gonna find out whos door to kick'n'. to-night ..... DHS is coming, to town .....

they see you when your sleeping, they know when your awake. they see what you are posting here and their trigger fingers just, cant, wait, ... OH ...... EVERYBODY SING ALONG!!!! wave your gadsden flags in the air and spark a lighter .....

 

[Donnelly]

So if someone ignores the Constitution they deserve to be killed? Your words, not mine.

If they ignore the Constitution, they are ignoring the foundation of our liberty. First a person ignores the foundation of our liberty, and afterward they encroach on our liberty. Our Founding Fathers certainly felt that if someone was encroaching upon their liberty that they deserved punishment if not death. Common punishments were floggings and tar and featherings. Executions certainly took place as well. The Founding Fathers were looked upon as terrorists by the English crown.

So the question becomes, are we wanting to emulate the Founding Fathers? Those who do would certainly be classified as domestic terrorists by the government, and probably by the general populace as well these days.

Disclaimer: I am NOT advocating domestic terrorism here, simply quantifying the equation.

 

[Bill of Rights]

That's the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

Yea, i hate how they keep changing the meaning of the Constitution, like when they added the Bill of Rights, or abolished slavery or limited the president to two terms. The Constitution is suppose to the supreme law of the land, not a suicide pact, and as such should be flexible enough to be changed as needed.

Yes the Constitution can be legally modified through the Amendment Process. Everybody is complaining about lawyers and judges arguing the living and breathing document theory that allows them to "re-interpret" the wording of the Constitution whenever they see fit. We have at least one clown on the Supreme Court (Sotomayor) that argued that the 2nd Amendment didn't apply to states. Well, if the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply states, then the Bill of Rights doesn't apply anywhere outside of Washington D.C.

^^This. If an amendment is proposed, voted through by a supermajority in each House of Congress, and then ratified by a supermajority of the states, that's an entirely different animal than ignoring wholesale the Constitutional principles for which our Founders and Framers fought and died.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[WWIIIDefender]

Kase: I don't like to make assumptions.

gunowner930: Isn't interpreting the Constitution the job of the Supreme Court? So all the other justices are "correct" since they follow your view? The Constitution was intended to be re-interpreted and adjusted as needed.


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flightsimmer: So if someone ignores the Constitution they deserve to be killed? Your words, not mine.

The cool thing about the constitution is that it doesn't matter what the interpretation of it is from congress or the supreme court. It only matters how you, me and we the people interpret it. It is then our duty to enforce our interpretation on our leaders through constant communication, or as a last resort through the Declaration of Independence.